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Orci's ST3 or Beyond?

Orci or Beyond

  • Orcis ST3

    Votes: 6 9.5%

  • Beyond

    Votes: 57 90.5%
  • Total voters
    63
Cyrus said:
I know Orci fequently chimes in the trekmovie.com comment sections. Has he made any comments since Beyond opened?
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When asked what he thought about the movie he just said 'fun'.
Then he made a comment about how, in spite of Pegg&co not reading his script, there are similarities like the (initial?) s/u break up, that massive starbase, the search for an ancient artifact and the 'bees' ships.
I think the producers/studio that read his script might have suggested some things they liked (like s/u's arc about his conflict etc) to Pegg&co. The scripts are owned by the studio anyway and they can do what they want. Anyway, if his script was similar about some aspects to stb, then I think the story they have for trek 4 can't be the original story orci had for trek 3 but probably it was the plan b those writers had when the studio didn't like the first script (Orci once said that they did have a second story too) They'll have to adapt whatever they have already with what happened in this movie (can't tell the same stories twice).

Search for his comment here
http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/21/star-trek-beyond-spoiler-discussion/#comments
 
Malaika said:
When asked what he thought about the movie he just said 'fun'.
Then he made a comment about how, in spite of Pegg&co not reading his script, there are similarities like the (initial?) s/u break up, that massive starbase, the search for an ancient artifact and the 'bees' ships.
I think the producers/studio that read his script might have suggested some things they liked (like s/u's arc about his conflict etc) to Pegg&co. The scripts are owned by the studio anyway and they can do what they want. Anyway, if his script was similar about some aspects to stb, then I think the story they have for trek 4 can't be the original story orci had for trek 3 but probably it was the plan b those writers had when the studio didn't like the first script (Orci once said that they did have a second story too) They'll have to adapt whatever they have already with what happened in this movie (can't tell the same stories twice).

Search for his comment here
http://trekmovie.com/2016/07/21/star-trek-beyond-spoiler-discussion/#comments
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LMAO- I was the one who asked Bob that very question and he responded "fun."
 
I believe Pegg, Jung & Lin were limited by the fact that the movie was already in pre-production and certain elements were already being created, built etc that had to be massaged into the new script.
 
oh dear I hope he is kidding otherwise, well, I can vote this poll lmao

Roberto Orci @realboborci hints what was his story about
“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760638759738028032
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Ugh.. ETA: wasn't that the story Faraci mentioned in his article why Orci got 'fired'?
Good thing is, since he is talking about it I guess that's not the story they have in store for trek 4. I HOPE!
This would further alienate the fans who like the reboot precisely because it's another reality.
 
I heard rumours that he wanted to use a Days of Future past time travel which will be overkill because trek 09 was a time travel story.

they might want to stay away from time travel for a while.
 
I think that story idea is actually good, and of course they can still do it in a future movie. But I can also see why Paramount didn't want it. While it may appeal to Trek fans, the mainstream audiences won't be interested and probably will be confused. And of course it will end with not resetting the timeline.
 
Malaika said:
oh dear I hope he is kidding otherwise, well, I can vote this poll lmao

Roberto Orci @realboborci hints what was his story about
“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760638759738028032
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Ugh.. ETA: wasn't that the story Faraci mentioned in his article why Orci got 'fired'?
Good thing is, since he is talking about it I guess that's not the story they have in store for trek 4. I HOPE!
This would further alienate the fans who like the reboot precisely because it's another reality.
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His idea sounds weird but I hope Orci watched beyond and realised that there are other characters that are as just interesting as kirk and spock and deserves screen time as well.

One of the best things about beyond was that it worked as an ennsamble movie. the first two films were about kirk and spock and I think the future films should be about other characters or be like Beyond.

Karl Urban nearly did not comeback for Beyond because he felt his character was sidelined.

I went from really liking Jaylah to loving her in my 2nd viewing of beyond and under Orci's direction, there would have been no Jaylah just more of the kirk and spock bromance getting shoved down our throats with another possible rip off TOS scene coming at the expense of other new and exciting characters like Jaylah and fresh story ideas like what Beyond was.
 
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Visitor1982 said:
Personally speaking, for the 50th anniversary it would have been a great idea me thinks.
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Agreed STB was good no doubt about that but what Orci was going to do would've been more apt for the anniversary imo (like Dr Who), Shatner (returning as Kirk Prime ) would've made it more 'an event' (like Nimoy in ST09) and the film would've tied in heavily with ST09 (a film everyone liked) abit like the way TDKR tied back to Batman Begins (Orci said nuTrek was modelled on TDK trilogy) - ultimately generating more interest/hype in the media (and potentially bigger box office),
 
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I dislike that idea and I already know that Shatner would end up sideling the characters of this trek. Just horrible. The whole restoring the timeline is pure nonsense and fan pandering. They use quantum mechanics so even if they came back to the past and changed it, they'd essentially create another alternate reality of this one. There is no restoring because tos still exists.
Just let this reboot BE its own thing and not treat tos as some destiny that the Kelvin timeline must pursue. His idea would only further alienate the fans and critics who loved the first movie for being new and fresh and another reality allowing new canon. People would only see the original thing starting to become a huge hindrance for this trek. Tos fans alone don't make these movies successful.

Orci's inner fanboy side had always scared me tbh and now I'm worried about trek 4 in the hands of those two guys.
 
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Malaika said:
I dislike that idea and I already know that Shatner would end up sideling the characters of this trek. Just horrible. The whole restoring the timeline is pure nonsense and fan pandering. They use quantum mechanics so even if they came back to the past and changed it, they'd essentially create another alternate reality of this one. There is no restoring because tos still exists.
Just let this reboot BE its own thing and not treat tos as some destiny that the Kelvin timeline must pursue. His idea would only further alienate the fans and critics who loved the first movie for being new and fresh and another reality allowing new canon. People would only see the original thing starting to become a huge hindrance for this trek. Tos fans alone don't make these movies successful.

Orci's inner fanboy side had always scared me tbh and now I'm worried about trek 4 in the hands of those two guys.
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but in every other timetravel trek they always try to attempt to restore the timeline (or at least make things better) .. it was unusual for it to be left as an alternate timeline in disarray.. a movie built around attempting to restore things would've been interesting (and still could be). Also the issue of Spock prime living in the nutimeline is a big deal (his knowledge of future events) so it would make sense for nefarious groups to attempt to gain his knowledge etc (the basis for a 2009 book that was cancelled no doubt as it was a potential plot point for a movie down the line) and for him to somehow return to his own time. (no doubt that was a major plot point intended for Orcis movie before Nimoys passing of course.)
 
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Khan 2.0 said:
but in every other timetravel trek they always try to attempt to restore the timeline (or at least make things better) .. it was unusual for it to be left as an alternate timeline in disarray.. a movie built around attempting to restore things would've been interesting (and still could be). Also the issue of Spock prime living in the nutimeline is a big deal (his knowledge of future events) so it would make sense for nefarious groups to attempt to gain his knowledge etc (the basis for a 2009 book that was cancelled no doubt as it was a potential plot point for a movie down the line) and for him to somehow return to his own time. (no doubt that was a major plot point intended for Orcis movie before Nimoys passing of course.)
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except the reboot doesn't use that kind of time travel. The kelvin timeline is another reality parallel to the other. The whole 'restoring' thing is rather based on a flawed 'romantic' concept that tos is the default thing and everything was meant to be like tos but it's not like that. This reality exists on its own merits and TOS is alternate reality to this one too. You could say that maybe this reality was how things were 'meant to be' too and it's tos that went differently because Nero never happened. Who is to establish which reality is how 'it's supposed to be'? It's incredibly relative.
the only thing I could see them being tempted to do is prevent George Kirk from dying or prevent the destruction of vulcan but this reality would remain separated from the other.
 
Having very much enjoyed the new cast and time line, if the Orci version of the 3rd movie had simply reset everything to "prime" status quo, it might have been the first Trek film (or even episode) I actively disliked, ever.

One of the best parts of the new universe is the lack of a reset button.
 
For me, the worst thing about nuTrek is the alternate timeline. I'm glad that Orci's movie was not made because it just would have been overkill. I would have preferred if the 2009 movie had no "alternate" universe story at all and just been a clean reboot.
 
Personally not a fan of bringing in the old cast members as some kind of fan service. I'm a different kind of fan I guess. It was fine having Nimoy appear in Trek 2009 since he was involved with trying to save Romulus, but then having him pop up again in Into Darkness annoyed me, but a lot of things annoyed me about Into Darkness. lol It was great to see the new cast finally stand on their own in Beyond. Given the time Simon and Doug had to pull this script together, they did a phenomenal job. If the writing was that much better on a tight schedule, then I would really love to see what they could do with more breathing room to properly flesh things out.
 
Malaika said:
Roberto Orci @realboborci hints what was his story about
“Chase for doohickey against Annunaki to reset back to prime timeline. Theme: The Last temptation of Kirk And Spock”
"It's the temptation. Restore Vulcan, Kirks Father, and Spock's mother? Or play the hand they are dealt"
"Only with help of Prime Kirk, who they meet on the adventure, can they solve the dilemma. "​
https://twitter.com/realboborci/status/760638759738028032
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That sounds like another convoluted mess, just like STID already was. And it would have been the third movie in a row with characters belonging to a different time. So I am glad that Orci was replaced.

Visitor1982 said:
Whats doohickey and Annunaki?
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Doohickey just means an unspecified thing, which does something. In this context some kind of plot device, which can reset the timeline somehow.

And I guess Orci means with Annunaki some alien species.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=annunaki

It seems they have something to do with the Illuminati. No wonder that Orci knows everything of them. He is a total conspiracy nutjob. On Trekmovie he talked more about JFK and how the CIA or some other conspirators killed him than about Star Trek. I completely blame him for the stupid conspiracy in Starfleet storyline we got in STID.
 
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