Orci strikes back

[ComicGuy89]

I don't think he should have used profanity, but I was so tempted to blast off way more than he has quite a few times since the movie was released.

I appreciate that some people don't like the movie and I'm fine with what they have to say. However some people take it to a really personal level where they imply all sorts of things about fans of STiD. They accuse fans of being stupid or anti-intellectual, of being immature, of being attention deficit, of being sheeple, sexist, all sorts of things. And a large number of the complaints seem to assume fans of STiD never knew what TOS or other classic Trek were. They keep throwing around "spitting on Roddenberry's vision", for instance.

For Orci, I can see how, since it was his project, he could have had enough. If I were him I might have blown off my trap in far worse ways.

 

[Tosk]

Who wants an apple?

I'll admit it, I chuckled at that scene in '09. It was just a subtle enough call back to TWOK to cap the whole scene.

Same here. Funny thing is, sometimes we give too much credit. Turns out the apple was never intended as a nod to TWOK.

Can't win with fans. Give what they want, you're an unoriginal hack; try something new and you're ignoring canon.

If you lump all fans together then of course you "can't win". Why would anyone expect every single Trekkie to have the same opinion?

And anyway, it seems like a bit of a specious complaint to me. There are a lot of things in nuTrek that are new that were not decried as "ignoring canon".

 

[MrJ]

Basically, as we went the casting process and we began honing in on the themes of the movie, it became uncomfortable for me to support demonizing anyone of color, particularly any one of middle eastern descent or anyone evoking that. One of the points of the movie is that we must be careful about the villain within US, not some other race.

Does that mean that from now on all the villains in Star Trek will have to be white? I know that most of them already are. But if every single bad guy in every single Star Trek movie from now on (and each movie has to have at least one) has to be white in order to avoid offending someone that doesn't seem very Star Trek, considering Star Trek is supposed to be so multi ethnic.

So the take away of this is: If you didn't like Into Darkness and you raise valid points about it's many flaws in a fairly civilized way your points are all invalid. Because STD made money. So you can FUCK THE FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING FUCKS!

Is there a way to discuss this without all that profanity?

Ask Orci, I just used his exact words, albeit a bit exaggerated to make a point.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

This old TOSer is a fan of the new films too, TYVM.

... Hmmm, that doesn't sound too good...

Do I get any sort of points for being a young (age 25) TOS fan?

 

[BillJ]

Does that mean that from now on all the villains in Star Trek will have to be white? I know that most of them already are. But if every single bad guy in every single Star Trek movie from now on (and each movie has to have at least one) has to be white in order to avoid offending someone that doesn't seem very Star Trek, considering Star Trek is supposed to be so multi ethnic.

Hasn't every Trek movie bad guy been white except for Montalban?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Basically, as we went the casting process and we began honing in on the themes of the movie, it became uncomfortable for me to support demonizing anyone of color, particularly any one of middle eastern descent or anyone evoking that. One of the points of the movie is that we must be careful about the villain within US, not some other race.

Does that mean that from now on all the villains in Star Trek will have to be white? I know that most of them already are. But if every single bad guy in every single Star Trek movie from now on (and each movie has to have at least one) has to be white in order to avoid offending someone that doesn't seem very Star Trek, considering Star Trek is supposed to be so multi ethnic.

He decided not to play into and perpetuate the stereotypes. (thats a very Star Trek thing to do) Perhaps being Hispanic himself was a factor in that. The next film will have a different theme and the casting choices will reflect that.

 

[MrJ]

Hasn't every Trek movie bad guy been white except for Montalban?

Pretty much, that's what I said. However, not really a "Bad Guy" there was the V'ger probe in the form of Lt. Ilia played by Persis Khambatta. And Martia from STVI mostly played by Iman.

 

[Cinema Geekly]

Bob has every right to talk about how much money the films made,

Money does not a good film make. His retaliation of profit margins is to show the peons that his movie was a "success," despite their untrained and naive nonsensical rants. The issue of whether or not *Star Trek* has been revived, however, is open. Are these films worth or the Trek philosophy? Or are they veiled, generic sci-fi?

In any case, I reiterate that whatever the conclusion, Ocri has demonstrated that he's an immature little brat who doesn't know how to handle a situation politically. FAIL.

Whether or not the movie is good wasn't what that article was about. It was about Star Trek being broken. And since the article didn't say the storytelling is broken most people take that to mean the franchise is broken.

Star Trek is a brand. If a brand is broken nobody is buying it, and more people than ever are buying Star Trek, these people just don't like the flavor.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does that mean that from now on all the villains in Star Trek will have to be white? I know that most of them already are. But if every single bad guy in every single Star Trek movie from now on (and each movie has to have at least one) has to be white in order to avoid offending someone that doesn't seem very Star Trek, considering Star Trek is supposed to be so multi ethnic.

Hasn't every Trek movie bad guy been white except for Montalban?

The main bad guys have been played by white actors. Though I guess in some circles Abraham and Montalban might not be white enough.

 

[JWPlatt]

Why is no one mentioning Benicio del Toro who was originally cast?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Benicio del Toro

 

[JWPlatt]

Great...

Don't you think originally wanting to hire Benicio del Toro makes Orci's statement meaningless?

 

[Tosk]

Great...

Don't you think originally wanting to hire Benicio del Toro makes Orci's statement meaningless?

Shhh! Orci is trying to rewrite recent history. Leave him be.

 

[BillJ]

Great...

Don't you think originally wanting to hire Benicio del Toro makes Orci's statement meaningless?

Who says it was Orci's choice?

 

[SeerSGB]

Hold up what's worse:

- Casting someone who might be wrong for the part purely cause of their skin color

- Casting someone who is right for the part but is a different skin color than what the character was previously established as?

I'd hate to have seen the shit storm had they cast an African-American for the role of Kirk or Spock.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Great...

Don't you think originally wanting to hire Benicio del Toro makes Orci's statement meaningless?

Or maybe they rethought it and decided not to go with him for those very reasons.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

You said people in the industry who are paid for their work should "shut the fuck up" (in all caps, no less).

Fie. You got me. KHAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!

Also, while we don't warn for insulting celebrities who are not forum members, can you please cut it out with the constant "cunt" an "twat" type insults toward Orci?

If we're now concerned about language, I ask that you please remove King Daniel's avatar that exclaims "FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK" in every single post. I don't know what meaning that has in Europe, but I'm pretty sure in the US it's something not nice.

 

[JWPlatt]

I don't know what meaning that has in Europe, but I'm pretty sure in the US it's something not nice.

I think it means "let me introduce you to my sister."

 

[Set Harth]

"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge"

Turns out the apple was never intended as a nod to TWOK.

So it's just an amazing coincidence?

 

[M'Sharak]

Also, while we don't warn for insulting celebrities who are not forum members, can you please cut it out with the constant "cunt" an "twat" type insults toward Orci?

If we're now concerned about language, I ask that you please remove King Daniel's avatar that exclaims "FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK" in every single post.

This isn't the appropriate place to tender a request of that nature, and sassing a forum mod with it in response to a request not directed at you is effectively pointless. Try PMing an Admin instead.