Orci & Kurtzman on plot holes

[Thrawn]

http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/trek-scribes-speak-complaints-addressed/

Some interesting stuff.

 

[cubbie]

After being rammed by the Kelvin, Nero’s ship was crippled; a convoy of Klingon Warbirds captured the crew and held them in a prison camp for all those years. Eventually the Romulans escaped, reclaimed their ship, blew up 47 Klingon vessels and returned to their mission

This still doesn't address how Nero got his ship back. The klingons should have the figured out the technology over those 25 years.

Edit:

There was a lot more material further explaining Kirk’s relationship with the hot green chick. Since she worked in the computer lab, Kirk was essentially sleeping with her to gain access to the simulation computer so he could cheat on the Kobyashi Maru. In a cut scene, Kirk tells her that if she gets an email from him while he’s taking the test, she should open it; she does, and it launches a virus which installs his cheat-patch.

ooh! even better! I wish this had remained in the movie

JJ wanted a visual metaphor that stated “we have a bright future ahead of us.”

the lens flares! bwahahahahah. Worst reason for something so distracting!

 

[ManOnTheWave]

I just want to know if the material that was shot and cut will end up on the dvd in some way.

 

[urbandk]

After being rammed by the Kelvin, Nero’s ship was crippled; a convoy of Klingon Warbirds captured the crew and held them in a prison camp for all those years. Eventually the Romulans escaped, reclaimed their ship, blew up 47 Klingon vessels and returned to their mission

This still doesn't address how Nero got his ship back. The klingons should have the figured out the technology over those 25 years.

It could be that the Klingons didn't get the ship... Don't ask me how...

 

[cubbie]

If they capture Nero, but not the ship... that's too much of plot device.

I do like many of the explanations, but the main problems center around Nero.

 

[Cyrus]

The explanations are pretty decent, I like them for the most part. The cut scenes for this movie should be interesting to see. Nero's ship can go through a black hole? impressive.

 

[erastus25]

The explanations are pretty decent, I like them for the most part. The cut scenes for this movie should be interesting to see. Nero's ship can go through a black hole? impressive.

And by impressive you mean impossible. It would be forever descending into the black hole after passing the event horizon, from an outsider's persepctive, due to the extreme warping of time caused by the black hole. Of course, warp drive is totally implausible too, so I'll choose to buy their explanation!

 

[urbandk]

If they capture Nero, but not the ship... that's too much of plot device.

I do like many of the explanations, but the main problems center around Nero.

Well maybe they did get their hands on the ship. In the KM test, the Klingon Warbirds decloak. From what I understand from TOS, Klingons didn't get cloaking until they started sharing their ship designs (read "cost cutting at Desilu") with the Romulans. So, since they have it in the film, maybe they were able to decifer some of the future technology...

 

[Cyrus]

And by impressive you mean impossible.

Yes, pretty much.

 

[cubbie]

In any case, the klingons would make darn sure that the ship was removed from the vicinity of Nero.

 

[zambingo]

Here's hoping the cut scenes were shot and make it into a director's cut of the film. That bit about Kirk's interest in the Orion and it's relation to the Maru sounds neat.

 

[urbandk]

In any case, the klingons would make darn sure that the ship was removed from the vicinity of Nero.

You mean Nero and his scrappy band of miners wouldn't be able to pull some James Bond shit and steal back the octodrill against impossible odds? Whaaa?

 

[davejames]

The explanations are pretty decent, I like them for the most part. The cut scenes for this movie should be interesting to see. Nero's ship can go through a black hole? impressive.

And by impressive you mean impossible. It would be forever descending into the black hole after passing the event horizon, from an outsider's persepctive, due to the extreme warping of time caused by the black hole. Of course, warp drive is totally implausible too, so I'll choose to buy their explanation!

Well for what it's worth, it was an artificially-created black hole (created by the mysterious "red matter"), so maybe it operated a little differently than your standard black holes.

 

[cubbie]

In any case, the klingons would make darn sure that the ship was removed from the vicinity of Nero.

You mean Nero and his scrappy band of miners wouldn't be able to pull some James Bond shit and steal back the octodrill against impossible odds? Whaaa?

Maybe they were finding out that Klingons were much weaker than they were expecting.

 

[urbandk]

Hey Klingon, I've got your gun!

 

[Stardate]

Their explanations on time travel aspect and alternate time line of the movie is pretty lame. I understand their reasoning but their is big difference on prequel and a full blown reboot. If they didn't want hold on cluttered canon, i understand that, but they could have resolve this very easily. Hold a press release that the new Star Trek movie is a reboot movie and it will not follow established canon and will focus when TOS crew got to together for their first mission.. you don't have spent $140 million to explain this in the new movie. duh.

 

[cubbie]

K'splat!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I would have thought capturing that ship would be worth the risk of Nero getting away. The technology!!

Great article, thank you for posting it.

 

[Peter the Younger]

If they capture Nero, but not the ship... that's too much of plot device.

I do like many of the explanations, but the main problems center around Nero.

Well maybe they did get their hands on the ship. In the KM test, the Klingon Warbirds decloak. From what I understand from TOS, Klingons didn't get cloaking until they started sharing their ship designs (read "cost cutting at Desilu") with the Romulans. So, since they have it in the film, maybe they were able to decifer some of the future technology...

Yeah, in order for me to be satisfied, the Klingons should have had the Narada in a secret Area 51 type of facility, which Nero and Co. would have to break into to get it back (or I dunno, call it back to them with a subspace dog whistle or something.) I don't necessarily need Nero to be in another location - they could have found it useful to torture the crew for information, show them components and demand to know how they worked, etc.

This also means the Klingons should have at least some knowledge of future events from Timeline Prime.

This is why I'm actually sort of glad they cut the Klingon scenes, I see them as creating more questions than answers.

 

[Photoman15]

But this was not a "real" black hole, but an artificially made one. It's gravitational pull was based upon the gravity of the object the red matter converted. In the case of Vulcan, the gravitational pull was the equivalent of Vulcans. When it went off in the Narada, it is unknown what the pull was or any other variables, because more than one drop of red matter ignited, but since it ignited in the vast Narada, the pull was probably much less than a planet at a safe distance. Unfortunatley, Enterprise was not at the safe distance until she the rode the shock wave of the core which was detonated outside the event horizon of the artificial black hole.