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Onscreen evidence M'Ress is an alien?

So, disprove my outlandish theory while I do nothing to support it? No.

What's this outlandish theory that I have? That there is nowhere in TAS that establishes M'Ress is an alien?

How many times to do I have to say that I'm not arguing M'Ress is the descendant of Earth cats after three million years or was genetically manipulated to grant her human-level intelligence and bipedal body construction in order to become a caretaker of inmates at an abandoned colony for the mentally ill?

One could watch TAS and validly interpret M'Ress as something other than an alien. You'd never even know that the production background info supposedly said she was a Caitian from the planet Cait.

The show's about meeting aliens, not genetic creations from Earth as has been pointed out. Your theory has nothing to support it, and you do even less.
I imagine because it's ridiculously contrived..
More contrived than...
Yes.
 
Well, if nothing else, this thread has given me ideas for a considerable number of oddball fan art renders. :)

M'Ress as SuperGirl

Ensign Mary Ress pulls a "Fly" and gets fused with her cat while beaming.

Alternatively, a teenaged Mary Ress opts for the latest cosmetic fad to "express her inner spirit animal".

Dr. Moreau unveils his latest development in genetic engineering, increasing the intelligence of animals.

Now I'll just need to find the time to adequately depict them.

Wait, was that "slap" T'Bonz pulling a violent "face palm"? ;)

Sincerely,

Bill
 
The show's about meeting aliens, not genetic creations from Earth as has been pointed out.

Except for the whole TAS episode about the clone of a Eugenics Wars-era scientist from Earth who is still experimenting with genetic engineering in his continuing efforts to create a master race and then clones a 20-foot-tall Spock.

There are other exceptions too, like the crew encountering the immortal human Flint and his robotic creations.

Your theory has nothing to support it, and you do even less.

You're not understanding how supporting a theory works. Neither of us have evidence within the context of TAS to support any one interpretation of M'Ress and her origins. Any "evidence" of her alien origin only comes from (1) background show information that never made it to the screen or (2) claims such as yours regarding the general zeitgeist and broad themes of the series, which, as noted above, has notable exceptions.
 
The show's about meeting aliens, not genetic creations from Earth as has been pointed out.

Except for the whole TAS episode about the clone of a Eugenics Wars-era scientist from Earth who is still experimenting with genetic engineering in his continuing efforts to create a master race and then clones a 20-foot-tall Spock.

There are other exceptions too, like the crew encountering the immortal human Flint and his robotic creations.

Your theory has nothing to support it, and you do even less.

You're not understanding how supporting a theory works. Neither of us have evidence within the context of TAS to support any one interpretation of M'Ress and her origins. Any "evidence" of her alien origin only comes from (1) background show information that never made it to the screen or (2) claims such as yours regarding the general zeitgeist and broad themes of the series, which, as noted above, has notable exceptions.

No. Your farfetched idea which you do nothing to support isn't credible. Going by your method the whole crew could be a bunch of genetically engineered frogs in human and alien suits. Nothing contradicts that either. The Trek is about humanity going out into space and meeting aliens.
 
Going by your method the whole crew could be a bunch of genetically engineered frogs in human and alien suits. Nothing contradicts that either.

Kirk and pals frequently point out that Spock is Vulcan (or half Vulcan), and in turn, Spock frequently places himself in contrast to humans like his shipmates. They go to Vulcan and we meet Spock's parents, Kirk is from Iowa and eventually we see his parents too, McCoy is a simple Southern doctor, Sulu is from San Fransisco, Uhura speaks Swahili, Chekov is Russian, Scotty takes pride in the spirits of his homeland, etc.

And then we have nothing about M'Ress. Literally nothing.

The Trek is about humanity going out into space and meeting aliens.

Except when it's not.
 
Going by your method the whole crew could be a bunch of genetically engineered frogs in human and alien suits. Nothing contradicts that either.

Kirk and pals frequently point out that Spock is Vulcan (or half Vulcan), and in turn, Spock frequently places himself in contrast to humans like his shipmates. They go to Vulcan and we meet Spock's parents, Kirk is from Iowa and eventually we see his parents too, McCoy is a simple Southern doctor, Sulu is from San Fransisco, Uhura speaks Swahili, Chekov is Russian, Scotty takes pride in the spirits of his homeland, etc.

And then we have nothing about M'Ress. Literally nothing.

The Trek is about humanity going out into space and meeting aliens.

Except when it's not.

M'Ress only appeared in a handful of TAS episodes which is why we know nothing. Because we know nothing there is no evidence either way to suggest that she is an alien or genetically modified. However as we know of no other genetically modified cats in Starfleet but we do see aliens resembling other animals it is safer to assume she is an animal.
 
Going by your method the whole crew could be a bunch of genetically engineered frogs in human and alien suits. Nothing contradicts that either.

Kirk and pals frequently point out that Spock is Vulcan (or half Vulcan), and in turn, Spock frequently places himself in contrast to humans like his shipmates. They go to Vulcan and we meet Spock's parents, Kirk is from Iowa and eventually we see his parents too, McCoy is a simple Southern doctor, Sulu is from San Fransisco, Uhura speaks Swahili, Chekov is Russian, Scotty takes pride in the spirits of his homeland, etc.

And then we have nothing about M'Ress. Literally nothing.

The Trek is about humanity going out into space and meeting aliens.

Except when it's not.

Still, offering no support for your idea, I see.
 
Thundercats HOOOOO!

Totally off track for a post or two, the ThunderCats, at least the original design, never really struck me as particularly feline. To me, they looked more like steroid pumped elves dressed up for a glam' rock concert.

Back to the subject, we should start calling this thread "Schrodinger's M'Ress" as she seems to exist in a state of indeterminacy. She's anything and everything (and nothing) until the metaphorical box is opened (the on screen revelation of her background), which at this point is VERY, VERY unlikely.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
And as far as what those two girls in that movie were, they didn't even look like aliens to me, how the hell are they supposed to be Caitians?

The script notes suggested Caitian, but the makeup guys made an array of different ear, facial and tail appliances - in an array of different colours - and JJ settled upon final pieces that were not as cat-like.

Nothing new there. The script of ST II said that Jedda was supposed to be a Deltan, but the director opted not to make John Vargas shave his head.

And then we have nothing about M'Ress. Literally nothing.

Because she was never the focus of an episode. We never found out anything about Billy Van Zandt's yellow-eyed, high-foreheaded ensign in ST:TMP either. Maybe he was a deformed human, too? (Over time, we got plenty on non-canonical details: the script called his race "Vegans", the wardrobe notes called his race "Rhaandarites", the cast called him "the geek" and "Billy Bumphead", a licensed comic named him Omal and a licensed novel named him "Vaylin Zaand").

Memory Alpha accepts production notes as additional info, and the TAS Writers' Bible tells us M'Ress is an alien. Sufficient for me. As for M'Ress's backstory, the licensed "Star Trek Logs" do discuss her early Starfleet career, the race's distant connections to the kzinti, and names her Caitian relatives and friends:

M'Mar is the mother of M'Ress; her litter sister M'Nass, and brothers M'Rest and M'Sitt. M'Ress's sire is M'Nault and male friends are N'Nance, V'Rrone and D'Irraj (in bonus scenes of "The Ambergris Element" novelization in "Star Trek Log Five" by Alan Dean Foster).
 
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Can you name another genetically modified animal in Star Trek?

Can you name another alien life-form that has an animal version of itself native to and living on Earth?

It's irrelevant if there are no other examples of Earth-based genetically engineered animal anyway. The fact that there are none doesn't negate the possibility that M'Ress could be one.

There is nothing that categorically removes the possibility. It is a purrfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing in TAS hisstory contradicts it. Nothing in TV or meowvie history either.
 
I don't see what the problem or resistance to the question is, though?

Q: Is there onscreen evidence that M'Ress is an alien?
A: No

It's that simple, but we like to hash and rehash things so much it takes five pages to be direct about it. And I'm sure someone will complain about this directness.
On the contrary - I find your conclusion to be very precise and logical, and very agreeable to me for being so. :vulcan:
I imagine because it's ridiculously contrived.
More contrived than Remans? Than the existence of B4? Or Sybok? Than Voyager *also* having a command crewperson with a degenerative mental disease that gets prevented by temporal interference in the final episode, just like TNG? Or that the same TOS command crew would end up together in nuTrek even though the timeline was dramatically changed in 2233?

If M'Ress were revealed in canon to be an uplifted Earth cat, or an evolved Earth cat from a Preserver world, or a refugee from a parallel Earth where cats evolved to be the dominant species, it would raise my eyebrow significantly less than ANY of the above. (Although I think I have a pretty good fanon explanation for that last one. ;) )
there's no denying that M'Ress was intended to be an alien, no need to say so explicitly as presenting a human-sized bipedal cat is more than enough to communicate "alien" to TAS's primary audience
Am I to take it that it then follows that MC Skat Kat is an alien, too? :p
assuming he were presented on TAS in the same context as M'Ress, yes
 
Can you name another genetically modified animal in Star Trek?

Can you name another alien life-form that has an animal version of itself native to and living on Earth?

It's irrelevant if there are no other examples of Earth-based genetically engineered animal anyway. The fact that there are none doesn't negate the possibility that M'Ress could be one.

There is nothing that categorically removes the possibility. It is a purrfectly reasonable suggestion. Nothing in TAS hisstory contradicts it. Nothing in TV or meowvie history either.

Too much :guffaw:
 
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