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On season 4 of Buffy...should I be watching Angel?

Aside from that one, the only song I particularly remember is the one that's playing in The Bronze in "Dopplegangland" when I think it's VampWillow enters. It's been a -long- time since I saw the episode.

The scored music I love for both series though.

Of course, anything from OMWF and anything performed in Caritas is standout. :)
 
I never particularly liked the bands that played at The Bronze, either.

However, one of my favorite musical choices from Buffy is when "Wild Horses" plays at the Prom.
 
Joss has always been big on promoting indie/underground music. The "performances" themselves on Buffy was pretty hit or miss. But some of it is worth noting.

Branch was good of course, as was Aimee Mann. And The Breeders and Dandy Warhols both made appearances.

Angie Hart of Splendid made three or four appearances.

I think Nerf Herder (who wrote the main theme) made one appearance.

And I used to be a big fan Cibo Matto. I thought "Sugar Water" was used really well in "When She Was Bad."

Bif Naked's appearances in season four were all pretty good too.

Story wise, there was Four Star Mary who did all the music for Dingoes. They're okay, but nothing special. I do, however, really like THC who did all the music for Veruca's band. The real singer was the chick playing the bass behind Paige Moss.

I think the music used for the soundtrack was much better. The McLachlan stuff goes without saying, but there's others I really liked.

Both songs from Union Station are excellent, even if bluegrass country seems like and odd fit. "It Doesn't Matter from "When She Was Bad" and "That Kind of Love" from "Entropy." Interestingly, Alison Krauss fairly recently did a duet album with Robert Plant of all people.

Probably my favorite of the whole show was Dollshead's "It's Over, It's Under" from "The Harsh Light of Day." from their album Frozen Charlotte. I love the album. Admittedly the lyrics are kind-of that 90s self-loathing emo. But every song on it has a great hook and catchy melody. The music is kind of a blend of trip-hop, techno, and British grunge with a pop finish. I definitely recommend it.


However, one of my favorite musical choices from Buffy is when "Wild Horses" plays at the Prom.
That was The Sundays. If you're interested, the song is on their '92 album, Blind.
 
Joss has always been big on promoting indie/underground music. The "performances" themselves on Buffy was pretty hit or miss. But some of it is worth noting.

It wasn't specific to Whedon. Most shows on The WB contrived excuses to work bands into their episodes so they could cross-promote their albums at the end. For instance, that's why Piper on Charmed bought a nightclub, and why Lana on Smallville bought a movie theater and turned it into a nightclub. The CW continues the tradition, which is why Oliver on Arrow opened a nightclub over his secret crimefighting headquarters.
 
Except the music on Charmed, Smallville, ect. was much more mainstream. Heck, most of the bands on Smallville were Top40.
 
^Well, I can't tell the difference. All I know is that I got really sick of all the contrived excuses these shows used to crowbar live music venues into the stories.
 
But that isn't anything new or exclusive to CW. Teen-targeted television has been used to promote music since the 50s. And just about any show on Disney/ABC Family/etc. does the same thing.

The network saw Buffy in the same light and pressured Whedon to toe the line. But he figured, instead of throwing up whatever commercial pop princess was big at the time, he could at least showcase lesser-known artists to give them the exposure.

The WB was pretty lenient about it, for the most part. However, UPN was not, which is why the last two seasons went way more mainstream.
 
I wonder how all the Vic Fontaine haters would have felt if the holosuite had been used for that purpose instead...(shudder)
 
Didn't they try to do that with Enterprise?

Buffy has hella double standards when it comes to morality. Xander tries to magically force a woman to love him it's fun Xander hijinks. Warren does it it's appropriately labeled rape.

The show easily let Xander off the hook for what he attempted to do to Cordelia and ended up doing to everyone else, but take away the fact that Warren's spell on Katrina ended in murder, it's pretty much the exact same thing.

One could also make an argument that Willow committed rape when she made Tara forget the fight.

But it's okay when a main character does it, apparently.
 
He probably got a pass because he was still just a kid at the time. Or maybe the show just wasn't quite prepared to tackle such dark stuff yet.
 
But that isn't anything new or exclusive to CW. Teen-targeted television has been used to promote music since the 50s.

I don't remember earlier hourlong dramas routinely incorporating real bands in the background and promoting their albums onscreen at the end of the episode. Maybe some shows would have the occasional special musical guest, like Chad and Jeremy appearing in that one episode of Batman, but you did not get a whole network-wide pattern of main characters improbably buying nightclubs and featuring bands practically every week, and you sure as hell did not have an announcer come on right after the executive producer credit and tell you to buy the albums featured in the show. I never saw any show do that before The WB.

Heck, back in the '70s and before, we still had variety shows. That was where the musical guests turned up, so there was no need to shoehorn them into dramas and adventure shows. Those shows didn't use real pop songs in their soundtracks as routinely as modern shows did, because they'd have to pay royalties. That practice is a product of the era of music videos, and the generation of TV producers and directors who wanted to emulate music videos or started out by doing them. When older shows used pop music, it was usually newly composed, generic, and instrumental.



I wonder how all the Vic Fontaine haters would have felt if the holosuite had been used for that purpose instead...(shudder)

I think UPN tried to convince the Enterprise producers to incorporate guest bands into the show. Thankfully that was one time the producers stood their ground.
 
Overdue observation: Why is Anya in the main credits and not Tara? They are both equal in duration of existence, frequency of appearance, and centrality to the main cast. Sure, Anya was the replacement for Oz's comic relief role. But it's weird Tara still is not considered a main character.

Also it's interesting the attitude toward homosexuality in the 90s. We accept that a heterosexual female falls in love with a woman, but if it were Xander, would people have accepted it?

Kind of makes her friends seem like dicks, ripping her out of heaven.

I'm wondering if Riley ever makes more appearances. Or if he does, if it's not just to be mad about the obviously setup Spike relationship.

I know I am a bit late to the table here...

To answer the Amber Benson main credits question definitively, Amber has stated several times (including once when I saw her at a Salt Lake City Library event) that Mutant Enemy did offer her the appropriate contract which would've given her main credit status, but she chose not to do so as she wanted to remain something of a freer agent on an episode-by-episode basis with the ability to do other projects.

So in that case it all comes back to Amber.

Amber also stated she Joss had revealed to her Tara was always going to die, but it was delayed a year from Season 5 to Season 6 after the UPN renewal, so I guess she knew even on a somewhat less secure episode-by-episode contract she was still going to be steadily employed for a few years.

Also sadly Amber's decision not to reprise her role in Season 7 for a variety of reasons, which in turn changed several planned plot points in that season

As to the Xander/Willow gay thing, I recall an interview (10ish years ago so I cannot remember if it was Joss, Marni, Big Bird or whoever) stating the plan was always to have one of Xander or Willow to come out in college and both season 2 and 3 was littered with subtle references for both characters.

Towards the end of Season 3 with Willow/Oz looking solid Xander got a fair few more references and was going to come out, but with Seth Green suddenly quitting at the beginning of season 4 (not to mention the general 90s weirdness towards openly gay-male characters on TV) I guess we got Willow instead. And yes it felt a little more forced then it could've been, but then again, with Xander staying straight, we did end up getting Anya staying around and Tara was awesome, so it wasn't all bad!

I don't confess to know how Hollywood contracts work, but I gotta wonder how these things operate, especially that Amber Benson, Seth Green and Lindsay Crouse all seemed to have had quiet flexible ones for a role a million wannabes in LA would kill for. One can argue Seth Green was a name and hired originally as such, but still for the other two...

Also...
A lot of Willow's sexuality after Tara's death unfortunately ended up being an unfotunate reaction Mutant Enemy in dealing with some segments of fandom (re: Goggle 'The Kitten Board' and 'Dead Lesbian Cliche') who where quiet vocally upset at Tara's demise and less to do with a natural progression they had planned for the character.

It was vicious enough that, in my opinion took Willow's fluidity and turned her into girls-only. Heck I remember as one point there was the rumour floated around of Willow/Xander finally getting together in Season 7 (then again I remember a Buffy/Xander rumour so who knows). It also goes somewhat into explaining as to why Kennedy was so forced into the story (and in my opinion didn't work) where Tara just felt more natural and free flowing. Anyway I always felt as a reaction to being called homophobic et al, Mutant Enemy made Willow gay-gay-gay instead of just a girl open to all possibilities
 
I always thought the accusations of Tara's death being driven by homophobia were baseless. It wasn't like they could have killed anyone and specifically picked her.
 
I always thought the accusations of Tara's death being driven by homophobia were baseless. It wasn't like they could have killed anyone and specifically picked her.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I just think Mutant Enemy none-the-less panicked in face of the shill campaign some segments raised.
 
That's kind of hilarious. The moment Angel is about to confess her love for Cordelia the Gruselag randomly shows up.

Is that his name? It seems like his function but I don't think we ever got a name for him different from that.

Edit: And now, The Exterminating Angel. One of the Buffy writers is a Bunuel fan.
 
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I always thought the accusations of Tara's death being driven by homophobia were baseless. It wasn't like they could have killed anyone and specifically picked her.

From what I've read, it was about pushing Willow over the edge.
 
Exactly. It made sense from a storytelling perspective, so the arguments against it just seemed like people were trying to see something that wasn't there.
 
That's kind of hilarious. The moment Angel is about to confess her love for Cordelia the Gruselag randomly shows up.

Is that his name? It seems like his function but I don't think we ever got a name for him different from that.

Edit: And now, The Exterminating Angel. One of the Buffy writers is a Bunuel fan.

I think it's Groosalug, though I could easily be wrong about that.

As far as I know we never actually got a name for him, but there's probably a wiki out there that would settle the question.
 
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