OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!

[factory]

Posted by Anji:
Okay, so now they've drawn their line in the sand and are daring us to step over it.

Well, move aside, boys, because these boots were made for walkin:

1. I was giving ENT a chance and now will not.
Instead I will switch to ABC to catch "My Wife and Kids" which is far more funnier and far better written.

2. I will buy no products associated with ENT. No action figures, trading cards, props, etc.

3. I will videotape ENT and see who are their sponsors and will not buy their products.

4. I will not watch a Paramount produced TV show or movie or buy products associated with the company or the products of the sponsors of those shows.

I don't have to tell my friends not to watch ENT because all (12) of them don't already and don't consider the show Star Trek.

I will continue these practices until Mr. Berman and Mr. Braga are removed from control over ALL aspects of Star Trek.

I regret to take these steps but circumstances have left me little choice.

- Anji

Please tell me you are joking... really... please. Avoiding the all pervading tendrils of the Viacom empire is going to be a REAL tough job... blimey, you are joking, aren't you?

 

[Guest]

Posted by Anji:
Okay, so now they've drawn their line in the sand and are daring us to step over it.

Well, move aside, boys, because these boots were made for walkin:

1. I was giving ENT a chance and now will not.
Instead I will switch to ABC to catch "My Wife and Kids" which is far more funnier and far better written.

2. I will buy no products associated with ENT. No action figures, trading cards, props, etc.

3. I will videotape ENT and see who are their sponsors and will not buy their products.

4. I will not watch a Paramount produced TV show or movie or buy products associated with the company or the products of the sponsors of those shows.

I don't have to tell my friends not to watch ENT because all (12) of them don't already and don't consider the show Star Trek.

I will continue these practices until Mr. Berman and Mr. Braga are removed from control over ALL aspects of Star Trek.

I regret to take these steps but circumstances have left me little choice.

- Anji

I won't boycott Paramount, just Berman productions. All my friends quit watching any Berman production long, long ago.
I'm with ya' on all the rest.

 

[factory]

Posted by Farm Boy:
I won't boycott Paramount, just Berman productions. All my friends quit watching any Berman production long, long ago.
I'm with ya' on all the rest.

TNG, DS9, VOY, ST:Gen, ST:FC, ST:Ins, ST:Nem and Enterprise.

Well, if you must deprive yourself - you will be missing some good trek - and some crap (seven seasons of DS9, you may want to skip that snore fest of a manure heap).

 

[Guest]

Posted by factory:

Posted by Farm Boy:
I won't boycott Paramount, just Berman productions. All my friends quit watching any Berman production long, long ago.
I'm with ya' on all the rest.

TNG, DS9, VOY, ST:Gen, ST:FC, ST:Ins, ST:Nem and Enterprise.

Well, if you must deprive yourself - you will be missing some good trek - and some crap (seven seasons of DS9, you may want to skip that snore fest of a manure heap).

Let me clarify for you. I will not watch any Berman Trek from Voyager to present. Much of TNG's last season. Most of DS9 was well done, and most know it was becuase of his nominal infuence and interference.
Generations, FC, Nemesis were horrible. Innsurection wasn't bad. Anything Enterprise, or future Rick Berman Trek production, will not get my money or attention. I'm done with him. I feel an abundance, not deprivation.
If the current style of Trek works for you more power to you.

 

[factory]

Posted by Farm Boy:
Let me clarify for you. I will not watch any Berman Trek from Voyager to present. Much of TNG's last season. Most of DS9 was well done, and most know it was becuase of his nominal infuence and interference.
Generations, FC, Nemesis were horrible. Innsurection wasn't bad. Anything Enterprise, or future Rick Berman Trek production, will not get my money or attention. I'm done with him. I feel an abundance, not deprivation.
If the current style of Trek works for you more power to you.

Aww shucks, thanks darling.

I was just joking about DS9. It was rather lovely.

 

[Guest]

Posted by factory:

Posted by Farm Boy:
Let me clarify for you. I will not watch any Berman Trek from Voyager to present. Much of TNG's last season. Most of DS9 was well done, and most know it was becuase of his nominal infuence and interference.
Generations, FC, Nemesis were horrible. Innsurection wasn't bad. Anything Enterprise, or future Rick Berman Trek production, will not get my money or attention. I'm done with him. I feel an abundance, not deprivation.
If the current style of Trek works for you more power to you.

Aww shucks, thanks darling.

I was just joking about DS9. It was rather lovely.

You have a nice day dude.

 

[Emissary of the Prophets]

Lighten up the lot of you. Watch the episode and see what happens before making your judgement. If this is handled properly it could make a good episode. To be honest the premise is quite sound. What happened to Hawk's corpse?

 

[Blip]

It burned up on re-entry.

As for this lame-ass idea for an episode, I've said it elswhere, but I'll say it again: We all knew this day was coming, as soon as we saw the premature (and completely lame) inclusion of the Ferengi in Season 1. TPTB don't have an original bone in their collective bodies.

So now, if you'll allow me this brief moment of self-indulgence, I happen to be one of those people who don't mind in the least telling you 'I told you so' when they're proven right. Hence:

"I told ya so. I told ya. Told ya, told ya, told ya so."

 

[cooleddie74]

Brannon Braga couldn't write an idea that isn't a rehash of a VOYAGER plot point if Captain Janeway herself held a phaser rifle to his head and Neelix force-fed him his worst Talaxian grub.

 

[Stewey]

Posted by Blip:"I told ya so. I told ya. Told ya, told ya, told ya so."

We'll have even more of that when its cancelled.

 

[AlexR]

Posted by Anji:
Okay, so now they've drawn their line in the sand and are daring us to step over it.

Well, move aside, boys, because these boots were made for walkin:

1. I was giving ENT a chance and now will not.
Instead I will switch to ABC to catch "My Wife and Kids" which is far more funnier and far better written.

2. I will buy no products associated with ENT. No action figures, trading cards, props, etc.

3. I will videotape ENT and see who are their sponsors and will not buy their products.

4. I will not watch a Paramount produced TV show or movie or buy products associated with the company or the products of the sponsors of those shows.

I don't have to tell my friends not to watch ENT because all (12) of them don't already and don't consider the show Star Trek.

I will continue these practices until Mr. Berman and Mr. Braga are removed from control over ALL aspects of Star Trek.

I regret to take these steps but circumstances have left me little choice.

If you are going to do all that, please also write a letter to the appropriate executives at Paramount and UPN and tell them so. The action will be meaningless unless you make sure they know about it...and precisely why you're taking it.

Best,
Alex

 

[Kelso]

Well, I am a little late on the Borg issue... but don't have a SERIOUS problem with it (yet).

The the crux of the episode centers around the scientists on Earth who Discovered the Cubeship, then that is fine. In fact, it is a logical development following ST:FC.

What I do take issue with, is any prolonged contact between the Borg and the NX-01. No one should be assimilated!

If it is done right, the episode could be quite enjoyable... however they are walking a dangerous line.

 

[Guest]

Posted by Procutus:

Posted by SAndrews10:
I posted this in the TNG forum when someone said Q-who was written in vain...seems appropriate here to!

At first when I read the trekweb article about this episode. I was just as livid as many on these boards. But, as I sat back and thought over the Borg events we've seen in canonized tv series. This might actually work and make legitimate sense in the timeline. We know now that Starfleet knew of the Borg's existance long before the events of "Q-Who". Admiral Hansen said in TBOBW that we knew they were coming for some time now. At the time it seemed like a year...maybe they knew long, long before then.

For assumptions sake...let's say back in the 21st century a federation starship from the future shot down a borg cube right on earth's front-door step. Let's say before that ship goes back in time they clean up all evidence of this ship, or so they think.

100 years later this wreckage is discovered a technologicaly advanced humanoid. Science fools around with it...disastorous results. Right now we don't know what happens, assuming it's handled right and knowledged of this super race is classified in Starfleet...life goes on.

Time passes and another ship named Enterprise...that the Enterprise-B picks up Al-aurian refugees who tell them a story of the borg. Starfleet up and ups cross-refernce this story with Federation archives. Boom...they come up with this forgotten file from the 22nd century of some enhanced super-beigns. They blow the dust off the file, compare and contrast...come to the conclusion it's the Borg. They initiate highly classifed research into these Borg beings.

After years of speculation, second hand reports, and rumor...starfleet decides it needs first hand information. It launches the Raven in secrecy to find some anseweres. Raven is never heard from again. The loss of the ship is covered up. The borg are still a highly classified seceret.

Until...the events of Q-who to which Starfleet can no longer deny their existence. Nobody comes out and says oh yeah...we've know about them for 200 years...but just go along with the current knowledge and start preparing for the day the borg come.

If...and A BIG IF B&B do this correctly it could make borg continuity flow like melting snow down the street. *crosses fingers* Hope they do it right!

I had a lot of time to think about this whole Borg thing today, and I basically came up with much the same idea (just didn't get the chance to post it until now).

Taking your idea one step further, and to give credit where it's due, I believe someone else also posted this notion - but the events in this Borg ep is what causes a very select group of people to come together to form Section 31.

If you think about it, such an event would definately be classified at the highest levels, and not everyone in Starfleet would have access to it. I could certainly see that by Kirk's time, then by Picard's era, there were be no common knowledge of the Borg; only those in a highly compartmentalized division (such as Section 31) would know the truth.

And it would go a long way towards explaining the apparent contridiction posed by Seven being assimilated years before the first known encounter with the Borg (the events of Q-Who).

I really feel that Enterprise needed to do a Borg show, but there are ways it could be done that wouldn't totally fuck up continuity.

But I don't want to hold my breath on it.

Although it's a bit apologist in nature, the more I hear this theory the more I like it.

 

[Kelso]

It looks like that is the timline of borg-related events that took place PRIOR to the First Contact in TNG. Let me know if I missed anything...


2063 Mysterious Alien Cubeship crash lands on Earth. (In reality the time travelling ship was destroyed by the 1701-E)("Star Trek: First Contact").

2152 Human scientists discover remains of a mysterious cubeship in the Arctic circle, and manage to recover cybernetic drones. An alien transport shows up to recover the drones and has a brief encounter with the NX-01. (still conjecture; based on rumors)

Around 2265 The Borg destroy Guinan's home planet. A small number of Guinan's people, the El-Aurians, manage to survive by spreading themselves across the galaxy (TNG: "Q Who?").

2293 El-Aurian refugees are rescued by the newly commisioned 1701-B, and transported to Earth. ("Star Trek: Generations").*

2354 The Hansens leave for their research mission on the starship Raven, [in search of the Borg] (VOY: "The Raven", "Dark Frontier").*

2356 After following the Borg for nearly three years, the Hansens are assimilated. Their ship is partially assimilated but later abandoned in B'omar territory (VOY: "Scorpion", "The Raven", "Once Upon a Time", "Dark Frontier").*

2360 The Federation starship Tombaugh is assimilated by the Borg (VOY: "Infinite Regress").*

2364 Several Federation and Romulan Colonies are destroyed by a mysterious third party. (TNG: "The Neutral Zone").

2364 Q takes the Enterprise to a remote sector, where they first encounter the Borg (TNG: "Q Who?").*

*source www.ex-astris-scientia.org

 

[Wil has a posse]

How pathetic.

Yet another desperate ratings ploy. This show is SO getting canceled.

 

[MoJo]

I stopped watching ENT a while back and couldn't care less about the Borg being featured on it.

I'm just doing my part so this thread hits 300 replies. Heh, heh.

 

[Guest]

Posted by Kelso:
What I do take issue with, is any prolonged contact between the Borg and the NX-01. No one should be assimilated!

If it is done right, the episode could be quite enjoyable... however they are walking a dangerous line.

Im so sorry for the people willing to give it a chance - you do know that they won't leave it alone if it works right? We'll see them again soon...

 

[Blip]

Posted by Stewey:
We'll have even more of that when its cancelled.

Damn straight!

 

[Guest]

... getting close to 300!

Borg!!! Oh no! It won't change a thing. It'll be fine. Be happy! Are you of the Body? Joy to you my friend! Peace and tranquility... health to you... and the body... and to all it's parts.

 

[Guest]

Posted by Plum:
... getting close to 300!

Borg!!! Oh no! It won't change a thing. It'll be fine. Be happy! Are you of the Body? Joy to you my friend! Peace and tranquility... health to you... and the body... and to all it's parts.

I like it.