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OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!
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I don't understand, are you saying the worst thing that could happen would be for the Borg ep. to be well done?
Surely everyone wants the all of the shows to be well done?
I can see you might be worried that once they go down the Borg path they will never stop, but to hope the show is badly done seems wrong somehow.
They might just as easily say hmm. we didn't get the Borg quite right in that episode, let's have another crack at it.
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300 !!!
Lets face it, 300 posts or not, less descerning people than we will watch the episode, enjoy it enough to keep the ratings up and B&B will continue their reign of terror. Still, it doesn't bode well for the future of Trek if the big episodes are those that dig up the past which is also the future in this case, wait it is the past, damn
Anyways if no better ideas can be had than this we could be witnessing a second cancellation of Trek.
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I doubt very much that anyone will need to hope that it's badly done, the producers will manage fine in that respect all on thier own
As for the episode its dammed if they do well and dammed if they dont do well. Good show = lots more Borg, bad show = pissed off fans.
^^ which is why it was a stupid decision all round.
Look on the bright side, guys. This Borg episode confirms the fact that ENT is an alternate timeline from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline. Trek continuity is still safe.
Y'know, I thought that at first, and really loved the idea...
But now I fear that the Borg will be treated like the Ferengi--the episode will end with Archer and company not ever knowing their name...
Even worse is the idea that this information is classified by Starfleet or Section 31. It means that the Federation had 200 years to prepare for the Borg--200 years to develop technology specifically designed to counter the Borg--and did absolutely squat. Either this is a case of how totally inept Starfleet is or that Section 31 allowed Wolf 359--and the initial Borg attempt to assimilate Earth--to happen...
The biggest plot issue I see is that it seems implausible that Picard would not have assigned a team to recover all the Borg debris they could find after they destroyed the sphere in FC.
Could they have found *all* of the debris down to the last tiny scrap? Probably not.
But pieces as large as that described in the story synopsis, WITH BORG BODIES!? I think not. Picard should have been court martialed for not observing the Temporal Prime Directive and doing his best at removing traces of evidence from the future.
The Enterprise E has really, really good late 24th century sensors. It should have been trivial to pick out most Borg ship pieces larger than a grain of sand, and even more trivial to retrieve pieces critical to preserving the time line like Borg warp coils, Borg drone remains, Borg shield components, etc. Bits of structural components burned up in the atmosphere and landing in the Arctic Circle probably would have never been found, and even if they had, probably been relegated to a Mars bacteria kind of mystery.
Shame on the writers for assuming Picard and crew were so derelict in their Temporal duties. Picard assigned a team to help Cochrane, so he should have had a full time team on the Borg debris retrieval, like those recovering Columbia debris now.
"Well, Picard et al was too preoccupied with eliminating the Borg from the Ent-E and helping Cochrane" you say?
Hogwash. At the end of FC, when the crises' were over, the Ent E had all they time they wanted to take to retrieve Borg debris, before shooting back to their century.
Overall, Ent is not at fault, it is the writers abusing FC that is at fault. And I am not a FC hater, either- I view it as legitimate canon.
Could they have found *all* of the debris down to the last tiny scrap? Probably not.
But pieces as large as that described in the story synopsis, WITH BORG BODIES!? I think not. Picard should have been court martialed for not observing the Temporal Prime Directive and doing his best at removing traces of evidence from the future.
The Enterprise E has really, really good late 24th century sensors. It should have been trivial to pick out most Borg ship pieces larger than a grain of sand, and even more trivial to retrieve pieces critical to preserving the time line like Borg warp coils, Borg drone remains, Borg shield components, etc. Bits of structural components burned up in the atmosphere and landing in the Arctic Circle probably would have never been found, and even if they had, probably been relegated to a Mars bacteria kind of mystery.
Shame on the writers for assuming Picard and crew were so derelict in their Temporal duties. Picard assigned a team to help Cochrane, so he should have had a full time team on the Borg debris retrieval, like those recovering Columbia debris now.
"Well, Picard et al was too preoccupied with eliminating the Borg from the Ent-E and helping Cochrane" you say?
Hogwash. At the end of FC, when the crises' were over, the Ent E had all they time they wanted to take to retrieve Borg debris, before shooting back to their century.
Overall, Ent is not at fault, it is the writers abusing FC that is at fault. And I am not a FC hater, either- I view it as legitimate canon.
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You know... more and more you gotta wonder about this...
rubs chin, hmm... wouldn't put it past him. He's that juvenile.
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Give it a chance, it sounds beautiful, I'm expecting 'The Thing' craft discovery visuals. Besides which I complained when they brought in the Queen cause it went against the ethos of the Borg but they couldn't really have long conversations with just the Borg interior and Krige worked dead well. From the first time I seen the Borg I thought they were splendid and none of the oft-criticised uses of them in VOY has ruined them for me. I completely understand how continuity gaffes can be irritating to us long-termers but it's only a TV show, a great one, but still only a show so let's have some fun with it, have all our old friends over to visit and see how they dressed back in the 22nd century.
Okay, this is thread 2 of 3 old threads about the Enterprise Borg episode I wanted to bring back up. It's really really long, but has some interesting things to read and some good comedic moments. So if you got all day, you might as well read it.
Dis episode gets a 7 outta 10, yo!
ah changed mah mind, mutha fukkas - dis episode hella sucked! 
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