OMG! B&B have gone MAD!!! BORG!!!

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by Frontier, Feb 20, 2003.

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  1. Not in the Face!

    Not in the Face! Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Aug 21, 2002
    Georgia, USA
    :mad: Okay, why hasn't anyone recognized the obvious ... B&B are blatantly plagiarizing "THE THING"! I just hope they use John Carpenter's soundtrack!
  2. H. F. Mudd

    H. F. Mudd Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 31, 2001
    Near Montreal
    I don't care if they try to justify this by saying it's wreckage from the Borg Sphere in First Contact. It's simply a poor excuse for their utter lack of creativity. They cannot come up with anything truly germaine to the pre-TOS era and keep themselves from strip mining what they've already done in the other series.

    B & B haven't gone mad. They are just stinking, mediocre hacks. Still, for me this is perhaps their finest jump the shark moment. Bye-bye, ENT.


  3. Pindar

    Pindar Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 20, 2001
    NCC - 1031
    Just as he ripped of The Thing from Another World in the 50's
  4. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

    Dec 2, 2001
    It is disappointing, but hardly surprising news.

    I wouldn't have put this past B&B. I sure hope this is only a one-off, like Acquisition, if they really can't resist utilising their favorite aliens (and our now least favorite)

    That way we can just dismiss it as a bad eppy, and not the end of Star Trek forever.
  5. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Rear Admiral Premium Member

    May 1, 2001
    Hmmm, Acquisition - the other episode that everyone got so hot under the collar about? The episode that turned out quite well IIRC... :D
  6. Delsaber

    Delsaber Commodore Commodore

    May 13, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    I liked Acquisition also. However, the Ferengi weren't completely torn apart for five years on Voyager, and they were never as overexposed as the Borg were towards the end of 24th century Trek. So, the fan response is somewhat understandable, if a little premature.
  7. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Rear Admiral Premium Member

    May 1, 2001
    Ah. Touché. :D

    Well they had a couple of bad VOY episodes!! ;)
  8. Brandonv

    Brandonv Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 22, 2003
    Next they are going to go back and CGI borg into a TOS episode. ;)
  9. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

    Dec 2, 2001
    Acquisition, true, could have turned out a lot worse than it did; but the synopsis for 'Regeneration' does have me freaked out. I pray that it can still be a decent episode.
  10. Ed

    Ed Commodore Commodore

    Apr 28, 2000
    Dublin, Ireland
    Eh, you broke your little ships.
  11. Walter Sochack

    Walter Sochack Commodore Commodore

    Apr 13, 2002
    The key phrase here being If I Remember Correctly ;)

    I myself am unworried by the idea of Borg on Enterprise, because I know that either

    1. The Borg will turn out to be dumber than Our Heroes, giving Archer an edge

    2. Our Heroes will be assisted by some Guy from the Future who will give them some objectives and a plan

    3. The Tholians will kick their butts completely unexpectedly :D

    4. This is a big fat lie

    The final option being the one with the greatest probability of me retaining my sanity. Although a Tholian wupping is still a good option :D

    So I'm all :cool: about this. I really am. I'm fine. I'm cool. I'm as chilled as a borg in the arctic snow.

    Okay, not really.

    Rust Red - chapter 2
  12. Scarpad

    Scarpad Lieutenant Commander

    Jul 11, 2001
    Western Mass
    Yeah this is pretty much the straw that breaks it.You know that these guys will get all wiped out by the borg and they will never report to Starfleet, but that's not the point. To see how close these guys can come to breaking continuity yet still not do it. They did the same thing with the Ferengi. The bottom line is that there is no reason to do this. There are so many other story lines they can deal with. THis is obviously a drastic measure to help stabilize ratings. But I wonder how many more fans they will piss off with this that will stop watching.
  13. Timofnine

    Timofnine Vice Admiral Moderator

    Feb 25, 2001
    The World
    I for one am looking forward to seeing the Borg in Enterprise.

    It's not violating continuity or anything - the only continuity it is violating is fan expectations and fan fiction that has been derived from speculation.

    It's a shame that we couldn't see 22nd sentury Borg though:(
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Actually the Thing was first a book called "Who Goes There" I believe. The 50s version was the first attempt at an adaptation, but the abilities and many parts of the plot were changed for various reasons.

    However Carpenter's Thing actually follows the original book closer than the 50s version.
  15. PKerr

    PKerr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 14, 2003
    Tampa Fl
    Well Fellas stick a fork in me because I am done. I watched ENT last night and told my wife OH MY GOD!! Do you know what I just watched? STAR TREK!!! Now I read this? and I think you gotta be kidding me this is the show B&B are claiming they are going to do new things on, WHAT NEW WAYS TO PISS THE FANS OFF!!!!! after last night I thought well we may get Trek back, but if it comes to light that this is true...I'm done I won't even wait for the episode to air I'll stop watch right then. Knowing B&B they'll have "Q" show up at then end and say OOPPPSS sorry I was saving you guys for ol' Jonny boy and make them disappear.
  16. Zombie

    Zombie Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Dec 8, 2001
    Who in turn took it from the short story: "Who Goes There" -- by John W. Campbell

    A good story I might add. "The Thing" is more faithful to the book (all though people do survive in the book unlike the movie) then the 50's movie was. (The 50's movie was more a take on the Red Scare menace happening at the time)

    Ohhhh I forgot we are supposed to be hitting B&B... ;) :p

    "Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ!" -- Storm Rucker

    ;) I think it applies to this bit of news.

    I don't want the Borg any where near Enterprise, but at least they are trying to make this fit in the timeline. It does make sense seeing as Enterprise never cleaned up the debris from the exploded sphere in First Contact. Some of that debris would have fallen to Earth. There should be a lot of it actually as that ship was huge. We've had enough Borg.

    But still they should write more episodes dealing with the triangle of humans-andorians-vulcans and not bring in more Borg.

    Those two should really be fired...

    EDIT: Damn, The Challenger, beat me too it. Too much typing on my part. :lol:

  17. Raz

    Raz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 13, 2001

    Morpheus, are you around?? Can you confirm that this synopsis, and the Borg involvement, is legit?
  18. pookha

    pookha Admiral Admiral

    Dec 26, 2002
    The Thing was based on John Campbell's Who Goes There the story that gets a lot of credit for bringing in the great age of sf..

    Campbell later on became the editor of the most influential sf magazine astounding that later became analog..

    back to the borg..

    this could work if they are careful with it..

    the enterprise encounters a 22nd centuary borg transport i bet that isnt even recognizable as borg..
    i bet it is only a brief encounter possibly the only time we see enterprise in the episode

    I suspsect the borg of this time are not as advanced as the tng borg..
    Probably the tng era borg were going to upgrade the first contact era borg by assimilation to help in the conquest of earth..

    when the borg transport gets to earth they probably take all the physical evidence with them.. the drones, the pieces of sphere and the warp coil
    ancd then they leave to go off and prepare for when they return in tng era

    starfleet does have scans and notes about the warp coil.
    it isnt a lot to go on but it will give them hints that the current top speed of warp 7 can be exceeded

    they also see know that the repair station in dead stop is proto borg..actually i have been expecting something since that creepy ending of dead stop..

    this incident could also lead to the formation of section 31

    the word borg is never uttered in the episode and most of the encounter gets official secreted away..

    they may pull this off and have a fun and creepy episode.
    remember most people around here gave stigma a snows ball chance in hell of being good .. well i at least enjoyed it..

  19. Nebel

    Nebel Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 5, 2003
    Sao Paulo, Brazil
    I have to agree with RJHJ, it makes perfect sense. I still hate the idea of a Borg episode, it only shows B&B's lack of imagination. And regarding the continuity, they can use Section 31 or something similar to cover up this encounter. Let us hope they won't bring up the Dominion next year...
  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    If, indeed, this is supposed to be debris from the ship destroyed in FC, and it wasn't already found, you've pretty much got to have it found in the Arctic, Antarctic, or underwater. Finding it at one of the poles is the cheapest option to film.
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