Old Star Trek fans: don't you sometimes get happy just because there are new series?

[HotRod]

Best purely Star Trek movie? The Motion Picture. For better or worse, it's the film that feels the most like a "Star Trek Movie."

Most entertaining film? A three-way tie between TWOK,TSFS,TVH. I love that trilogy.

Best 15 minutes ever put to film in the entire film franchise? The beginning of Star Trek '09. The opening scene with the Kelvin probably helped make more Star Trek fans than any other single scene in the entire franchise.

 

[Denise]

Yes. Not because I care about the new series, but because new people/new generations (such as myself, even if I didn't get in with the new stuff) are getting into Star Trek and that the fact that new shows are being created shows people still care and ST isn't reserved as "old people shit". I know some people hate the new series / say they 'ruined ST' but even as someone who strongly dislikes what I've seen of the new stuff I can still appreciate the fact that Star Trek stuff is still happening.

I'm glad there's new Star Trek if only because I hope it will get people who haven't watched the original series encouragement to see it, TMP, TWOK, TSFS, and TUC (and I guess, TFF).

 

[Denise]

I am very fond of TMP (if only for the scene on Vulcan, which thrilled me to no end when I first saw the film and Spock's entrance onto the Enterprise and that private conversation with Kirk and McCoy where he's terrified) and The Search for Spock. I love much of The Wrath of Khan, but can't watch the end except as the beginning of The Search for Spock, which I loved. I also love The Voyage Home. I enjoy The Undiscovered Country, but not as much as the others.

 

[USS Firefly]

Oh, you'd be surprised how many times i've heard members of younger generations flat out reject even the notion of watching older media, based on some generational bias (in favor of anything they believe caters to their own) and the assumption that old mean inferior, which is an absurd belief, yet its not rare to hear that sentiment expressed about older media.

My brother is one of those people, he don't watch older movies like Superman 78. It is too slow for him.

 

[Shawnster]

Best 15 minutes ever put to film in the entire film franchise? The beginning of Star Trek '09. The opening scene with the Kelvin probably helped make more Star Trek fans than any other single scene in the entire franchise.

Would these be fans that come for the action instead of a thought provoking message?

Is Star Trek still Star Trek if it's nothing more than an action thriller with cool FX?

 

[HotRod]

Would these be fans that come for the action instead of a thought provoking message?

Is Star Trek still Star Trek if it's nothing more than an action thriller with cool FX?

I'd think it has more to do with the pure raw emotion of a father sacrificing himself to save his wife and newborn child.

 

[The Wormhole]

Is Star Trek still Star Trek if it's nothing more than an action thriller with cool FX?

Gene Roddenberry Himself wrote by His Divine Hand in the TOS Writer's Guide that Star Trek is to be first and foremost an action show.

 

[fireproof78]

Would these be fans that come for the action instead of a thought provoking message?

Is Star Trek still Star Trek if it's nothing more than an action thriller with cool FX?

Yes

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Would these be fans that come for the action instead of a thought provoking message?

Is Star Trek still Star Trek if it's nothing more than an action thriller with cool FX?

It worked for Wrath of Khan over The Motionless Picture quite well with the fans.

 

[Nyotarules]

Looks like we need another thread on Best Trek film. You have written, I have read and listened so I will comply.
(Back to the original topic)

What is your best Trek film and why?

Feel free to list and state your reasons

www.trekbbs.com

 

[Dar70]

I’m 29 (still young I hope ) and I love older shows! I’m currently watching The Golden Girls, which I remember my Grandma loving, on Hulu and it consistently has me in stitches

Well in less than 7 years you shall be middle aged ..

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Gene Roddenberry Himself wrote by His Divine Hand in the TOS Writer's Guide that Star Trek is to be first and foremost an action show.

Until that was repeatedly broken by TOS episodes that were a mix of thought-provoking morality plays and action. In other words, TOS--the very best of the concept--was not that JJ video game in Trek trappings.

 

[JRob94]

Well in less than 7 years you shall be middle aged ..

Too true

 

[Dar70]

Too true

I don't know what I'm laughing about. I have been past middle aged for 18 years...

 

[Shawnster]

Until that was repeatedly broken by TOS episodes that were a mix of thought-provoking morality plays and action. In other words, TOS--the very best of the concept--was not that JJ video game in Trek trappings.

One does not nullify the other. It's possible to be first and foremost an action series while offering a healthy mix of thought provoking morality plays.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

One does not nullify the other. It's possible to be first and foremost an action series while offering a healthy mix of thought provoking morality plays.

The point is that TOS, as it progressed was clearly not "first and foremost an action show". The strongest legacy of the series--that which is repeatedly praised--are the dramas/morality plays. "first and foremost an action show" was a line accurately describing other 60s series such as The Man from U.N.C.L.E., Lost in Space, T.H.E. Cat or The Wild, Wild West more than the overall drive and presentation of TOS.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So finally, do the old fans feel happy or not?

 

[Humanoid #77]

I did not read all 19 pages of comments, forgive me. I will give only my answer to the original question.

No.

Down here in the Third World, for a long time I never could watch Star Trek at the same time it was released in the US and UK. TV channels would buy canned series in bulk every 3 or four years and air those tapes until they turned to dust. TNG ad DS9 for example, I believe we got only two seasons of each.

So uber nerds organized a smuggling operation for vhs tapes, recorded by any friend or relative who happened to be living up abroad.

I'm not joking. The official distributor (CIC Video) even agreed to not press piracy charges as long as the swag did not include the seasons they were already airing/selling.

Then the Internet happened, episodes could be downloaded, Amazon and Ebay began to happily deliver DVD boxes and everyone caught up.

And THEN, in 2005, Star Trek, as All Good Things Must Do, ended.

I did not realize the finality of it immediately. There was much content, many internet sites to see yet.

FF to 2019 (or whatever year Discovery S1 was released, I won't bother checking): I felt so much happy watching the opening credits, the music ending with Alex Courage's fanfare, reading Nick Meyer's name

But it sucked. I made an effort to watch some episodes. It was an effort. I quit for a while. But at the end of the season I heard the Enterprise and Pike came into it. I watched some of S2. I watched Spock and Number One singing Major General inside a turbolift. THEN I gave up for good.

I was still suckered into wathcing the musical and the cartoon crossover episodes. I hate Star Trek now. I hate myself.

EDIT I forgot to say I also watched ONE episode of Prodigy because I love Janeway and Voyager. WTF was that?

I remember the post-Enterprise dark times, when it seemed like there was no room for Star Trek in the 21st century (in fact, I think it seemed that way even DURING Enterprise). Now I feel like I'm living in a golden age.

Instead I see a lot of people criticizing: "Oh no, they made the wrong period to make the new series", "The choice of the actor who will play the fourth extra on the bridge was a disaster", "Ha ha! But have you seen how they made the new warp nacelles? Do they take us for idiots???"

I, on the other hand, am simply happy to know that every now and then I will see a new episode that will take me to the stars. But am I the only one? Too naive and not savvy enough to "really" understand what is needed in a new Star Trek series?

 

[at Quark's]

Little wonder why so many fans and critics of the period said TWOK "finally got Star Trek right", as it captured the heart, humanity and powerful concepts which were typical of TOS at its best.

Recently read that Roddenberry hated the scene where Kirk shoots the Ceti eel coming out of Chekov's ear, because he thought that was not a thing a Starfleet admiral would do. Even though it was immediately obvious these were nasty creatures.

Guess Kirk shouldn't have flooded that Deneva colony with UV light either, but spend more time at looking into a solution that would save both parasites and colonists ...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Recently read that Roddenberry hated the scene where Kirk shoots the Ceti eel coming out of Chekov's ear, because he thought that was not a thing a Starfleet admiral would do. Even though it was immediately obvious these were nasty creatures.

Guess Kirk shouldn't have flooded that Deneva colony with UV light either, but spend more time at looking into a solution that would save both parasites and colonists ...

Roddenberry's sudden PETA stand in favor of the Ceti eels was pure, hypocritical BS, considering your point about the solution to the Denevan parasites. One might conclude Roddenberry was just being pissy, looking for any reason to complain since he had been demoted to that hollow consultant position.