Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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The Crown didn't take too kindly to the idea of Irish Reunification in 2024.
…. And… ?
Then Paramount should not complain when Star Trek can't reach their target audience number.
I doubt they're too terribly bothered by that.
Not everyone is going to love Trek. Not everyone is going to love ALL Trek (I'm not crazy about TOS or TNG).
I'm not a salivating Marvel fan. There are people who are.
Trek has an audience.
When did Paramount complain about this?
If they think that it's okay with the number of audience, then why they cut Discovery to season 5, while previously, Discovery was planned to be continued to season 6? That's the example. If they think that the show is a success / reach their target audience number, they won't cut the show, do they?
Whether the show is successful or not, or whether they are reaching their target audience or not, has nothing to do with why CBS/Paramount is canceling the show. They are canceling it because Paramount+, like most streaming services, is losing money and they are cutting back on producing expensive shows. That’s why they are making Starfleet Academy, because it will be cheaper to produce.
To save money.
No, it wasn’t.
Fans and those working on the show thought there would be a sixth season.
But Paramount only paid for five. And moved on to SFA as its cheaper than renewing the contracts of the DIS cast.
This is laughably far from the truth.
Trek has always had an opinion, and that opinion has always been left-leaning. BUT... it has usually kept a distance from the actual real-life politics and wrapped it up more in an allegorical shell.
I don't even think the "Irish reunification" line was intended to be particularly political-motivated... but the whole Northern Ireland situation was topical at the time, and with Star Trek trying to be the bright, peaceful view of the future, was more trying to just say "Hey, in the future, they aren't fighting anymore"... rather than actually trying to take a political stance directly.
The rest of those mentioned don't bring ANY actual, real world politics in. They offer commentary on issues, but they do it in a way that's not quite so "This actual real life political party is wrong and this one is right." Last Battlefield is "racism is stupid". "Measure of a Man" isn't really political at all, I suppose you could compare it bodily autonomy or something but I read it much more as a question of "what makes a person a person". "Critical Care" gets maybe closer to real world politics but still only in a vague way, and actually goes out of its way to present both arguments... Critical Care is an interesting one because really thinking critically about the episode, it's hard to say that The Doctor is objectively "right". The counter argument of there not being enough resources to give everyone the highest level of care, and therefore prioritizing the "most valuable" people DOES make sense. It's not quite a clear cut "definitely good vs. definitely bad".
It's a bit of a sore subject within the UK.
How does one make the determination of who lives and who dies?
Is life only to be granted to those who can deliver enormous profits?
Absolutely, and understandably so. I was just saying that i'm not sure the comment was actually intended to be outright politically motivated in support of a certain side, instead being more of a "in the future there's no more fighting!"
Such is the question of the episode. But once again, the point being less "American Democrats are definitely better than American Republicans", the answer was more "The Doctor wanted to save as many lives as possible, while his adversary argued why that might not be possible."
Modern Trek is... less subtle in it's politics. I absolutely, positively, 100% despise Trump. Also, I actively, audibly groaned at "Make the Empire Glorious Again".
I myself rolled my eyes at the name of one of the songs on the PIC S2 soundtrack being called “Build Back Better Borg”.
An idea about Legacy popped into my head earlier today...
Would Legacy be better served if its anthology series of sorts? But one that revolves around Jack, Sydney, Kestra, Elnor, and Naomi Wildman as the main characters?
By an anthology series, I mean a couple of seasons are spent with Seven and Raffi on the Ent-F. Then a couple of seasons with Harry Kim on the Voy-B. Then a couple of seasons spent with Kira and Jake on DS9. And its Jack, Sydney, et al. going from one adventure to another that have connections to TNG, DS9, VOY and PIC.
Like you can still have Seven say "Space the final frontier..." at the beginning of the first couple of seasons where she is a main character, and the series as a whole is still focused on the journey of the younger characters.
Ugh.
So.... that's a big assumption that a show runs for that long in the age of streaming. Plus, how you described it, they'd basically have to rebuild the sets every few years. So it's extremely expensive. Nevermind that I cannot imagine there's mass audience appeal for the likes of Harry Kim, Naomi Wildman, Harry Kim, or Riker's kid.
Here's my pitch for Legacy. Assuming it's a show thar just HAS to happen.
You make a 25th Century show, set years after the events of Picard. You have Captain Seven of Nine, since she seems to be popular. You have Raffi. You have Jack, somewhat aged up, because I'm sorry, he don't look like he's in his early 20's. And you explore Strange New Worlds, while bolding going where no one has gone before. You actively try your best to NOT make it a 90's Trek reunion special. Occasional bout of nostalgia here and there.... but let's try to make the galaxy feel big again.
Disco only lasted five seasons. There's no way that P+ is going to pay for six seasons of Legacy.
Starfleet Academy is supposed to be the show for the 18-35yo CW crowd.
I'm sure they'll age Jack up slightly.
I would write him as being wise and sophisticated in some respects (and painfully naive in many others).
I don’t think that one can make any guesses on how long Paramount will pay for anything. We just don’t know.
It's cheaper to produce a new show than it is to renew an old series indefinitely. Talent becomes more expensive as time goes on.
We also don't know the future of Paramount+ if Skydance buys them out. SFA isn't even happening until 2026. Legacy will probably never happen, and any TV movie with Patrick Stewart probably won't even get green-lit until after he's dead. But Skydance might just cancel everything and decide to do their own take.
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