Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[donners22]

P+ didn't begin submitting its ratings until just before the end of Picard's run.

The first week P+ was included was 27 Feb, which was just after the second episode of season three. 1923 made the list that week, Picard didn’t. See https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/nielsen-streaming-mandalorian-paramount-plus-1235569373/

Picard made it once in mid-March, then dropped out until the last two episodes in mid-April.

 

[drt]

Honestly, I think any P+ shows making the list is fairly impressive. It has like 1/8 the number of Netflix subscribers, plus shows are released weekly instead of all at once. That has to help Netflix shows pop to the top of the charts when a new season is binged in its entirety upon release.

 

[Danja]

P+ now has 61 million subscribers:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/08/paramount-tops-61-million-subscribers-after-showtime-merger/

 

[grimorie]

I mentioned it before but I really feel like it's a terrible idea they pulled licensing for Discovery from Netflix Southeast Asia and never considered licensing LD or Prodigy to Netflix SEA especially since they haven't launched Paramount + in my country. And I would have gotten a sub for Paramount because a lot of the shows I watch are on it. And it's really affecting their bottom line and their shows!

I've also been listening to the Downstream podcast and both hosts note that when Disney+ launched they knew coming in, they'd be losing money but during the launching period, they were prepared to eat the cost to get Disney+ subscribers. But this mentality seemed to have shifted recently since Netflix didn't perform as well as Wallstreet wanted (when was it 2021? 2022?) And started tightening their belts, and somehow that cascaded to other streaming services.

I'm just mentioning this because Paramount seems to have some significant cashflow problems that might affect possible future shows. (*cough*Legacy*cough*).

And not to mention, then there's the strike and the bullheaded stubbornness of the studios not willing to compromise with the Writers and Actors.

I just want Legacy to happen so bad.

 

[Danja]

P+ has shot itself in the foot with regards to how it's handling the strikes.

 

[Noname Given]

P+ has shot itself in the foot with regards to how it's handling the strikes.

It's not just Paramount - it's the entire American Motion Picture & Television Producers organization (which of course all Producers/Execs working at Paramount and the other Studios are members in).

No single Studio is going to 'go rogue' and make a separate contract deal with the WGA and/or SAG-AFTRA.

Like the WGA and SAG-AFTRA, the AMPTP members are all unified in their positions in this Entertainment Strike situation.

 

[UssGlenn]

No single Studio is going to 'go rogue' and make a separate contract deal with the WGA and/or SAG-AFTRA.

Why not? That's exactly what they did in 2008.

 

[Noname Given]

Why not? That's exactly what they did in 2008.

Really? That's not mentioned here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Writers_Guild_of_America_strike

 

[UssGlenn]

in the strategies section

In late December, the WGA announced a new "divide and conquer" strategy designed to break the solidarity of the AMPTP by negotiating strategic interim deals with individual networks, studios, and production companies who were willing to agree to the WGA's proposals. This was intended to put pressure on the other member companies, especially those who were competing with companies that were then able to return to production. The approach resulted in deals with David Letterman's television production company Worldwide Pants,[99][100] another with feature studio United Artists,[101] and a third one with film studio The Weinstein Company.[102] The new strategy contained some risk for the WGA, however, as there was a risk that some members may resent a few writers working while others were still on strike.

On January 14, 2008, two additional side deals were announced by the WGA – one with Media Rights Capital, a production company working on both features and television, and the other with Spyglass Entertainment.[103][104] On January 25, 2008, another side deal was reached; the WGA and Marvel Studios signed an interim comprehensive agreement.[105]

On February 3, 2008, the WGA made a deal with four more filmmakers in New York City.

Then on February 9th they had a deal with AMPTP to vote on.

 

[Noname Given]

in the strategies section



Then on February 9th they had a deal with AMPTP to vote on.

I stand corrected.

 

[James Cole]

Now that Netflix has picked up PRODIGY... if Paramount+ doesn't want to do Legacy... could Netflix be interested in commissioning it?

 

[fireproof78]

That would depend on the money. The new price scales is going to affect projects going forward.

 

[Danja]

Now that Netflix has picked up PRODIGY... if Paramount+ doesn't want to do Legacy... could Netflix be interested in commissioning it?

That's what I was thinking ...

Netflix could go back to being a Trek streaming outlet (just as it was with Disco).

It's not just Paramount - it's the entire American Motion Picture & Television Producers organization (which of course all Producers/Execs working at Paramount and the other Studios are members in).

It's become so embarrassing that a coalition of producers are asking the AMPTP to drop the 'P' from their name:

https://deadline.com/2023/10/producers-petition-change-amptp-name-hollywood-labor-1235567984/

 

[FederationHistorian]

Now that Netflix has picked up PRODIGY... if Paramount+ doesn't want to do Legacy... could Netflix be interested in commissioning it?

That might be the best chance for Legacy ever getting commissioned.

 

[The Wormhole]

Now that Netflix has picked up PRODIGY... if Paramount+ doesn't want to do Legacy... could Netflix be interested in commissioning it?

There'd have to be interest from Paramount the studio to do Legacy in the first place, which there is no indication of at the moment. Netflix can't just greenlight a Star Trek series on its own, given Star Trek is an IP owned by Paramount.

 

[James Cole]

There'd have to be interest from Paramount the studio to do Legacy in the first place, which there is no indication of at the moment. Netflix can't just greenlight a Star Trek series on its own, given Star Trek is an IP owned by Paramount.

Paramount desperately needs money. Would they turn down money if Netflix came to them with a request?

But again this is a hypothetical about a hypothetical... but it is what this thread is for...

 

[Danja]

That might be the best chance for Legacy ever getting commissioned.

There's a little thing called an actor's strike going on now ...

 

[fireproof78]

There's a little thing called an actor's strike going on now ...

Oh like that will stop the speculation.

We all know that's a cover story for Kurtzman being fired (again) while Terry sets up in his office.

 

[The Wormhole]

Paramount desperately needs money. Would they turn down money if Netflix came to them with a request?

But again this is a hypothetical about a hypothetical... but it is what this thread is for...

They're trying to turn Paramount+ into the "Streaming home of Star Trek." It's not going to be that if they start letting Netflix develop other Trek shows. Prodigy is a unique situation, it's basically a show they for whatever reason don't want, but a majority of a second season was already in the can. They're options were to either let someone else pick it up stick it in a vault for a tax write-off. They chose the former.

Netflix producing Legacy just because they now have streaming rights to Prodigy makes as much sense as thinking Peacock can do their own Yellowstone spin-off just because they have the streaming rights to Yellowstone itself. Which will never happen.

 

[HotRod]

Paramount desperately needs money. Would they turn down money if Netflix came to them with a request?

If Paramount wants money and is desperately trying to save Paramount+, why would they give a "surefire hit" to a competitor? Would they not rather boost their own numbers?

I like Prodigy, but let's be honest, the only reason Paramount gave it up in the first place was because it wasn't generating either the income or the viewing minutes they wanted.

IF Legacy were a successful series and generated the same kinda viewing numbers as Picard or SNW, I think they'd rather have it on their own service, atleast while it still exists.