Characters vs. Lore.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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This is the franchise that had to go through all that torturous Klingon forehead bullshit because some people couldn’t process the idea of it.
It took me two years to finish DISCOVERY season 3. But their 32nd century world building is... quicksand. It doesn't track with what VGR and ENT established about the far future, it assumes all the new propulsion methods established in 24th century Trek went nowhere, the cause of the Burn mystery box really subverts expectations, it creates a problem only people from 900 years in the past could resolve, and is generally heavy handed in the extreme amounts of handwaves necessary to make a one season plot idea work. So the 32nd century really doesn't work as the general setting for "present day" Star Trek without some reset buttons.
Which is why DISCOVERY could and should have easily stayed in its lane by being set in the 25th century to begin with.
The point at which DISCOVERY, and by extension SNW, lost me was Ethan Peck's Spock.
I agree. They're long in the tooth.
I didn't appreciate the Picard S1 cast being shoved over the side to make room for Terry's TNG reunion.
I also don't think Data should've been brought back (They brought back Data but not Yar?
)People die. You have to deal with it.
For me, I'm not necessarily tired of the Kirk era or the Picard era as I am with the characters themselves. If someone can write a good story that actually has something to say and has a reason to stand on its own without having to constantly wink at the audience saying "hey, remember this", I'll watch the shit out of it. I don't care if it's in the 22nd, 23rd, 24th, or 32nd centuries, what matters is the story and the characters.
I'd also take a series set post-Enterprise or in the Lost Era, especially if the franchise finally tries its hand at giving us a Trek anime series. Exploring strange, new worlds would be absolutely perfect in that medium.
I'd also take a series set post-Enterprise or in the Lost Era, especially if the franchise finally tries its hand at giving us a Trek anime series. Exploring strange, new worlds would be absolutely perfect in that medium.
It's happened throughout history.
During the Dark Ages following the fall of the Roman Empire, a great deal of the knowledge gained from the Roman era was lost.
A crying child? Seriously?
Yes, this is what happens. I like The Burn as a way to reset everything, but I did NOT like the cause of The Burn.A crying child? Seriously?
Someone's going to come along and say "It's the most Star Trek thing ever!" (I've had this argument before) and I'll always say, "Charlie X never caused ships with warp drives everywhere to blow up, and something being reminiscent of TOS doesn't automatically give it a pass with me." I know what they're going to say, they know what I'm going to say. It's old hat.
I still like the season, and the series, but that's just one of those things I don't want to think about and prefer to just gloss over. Most people know the third season of DSC is my least favorite of the series. To me, Discovery's Season 3 is like Picard's Season 2.
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Charlie wasn’t connected to dilithium via subspace, so why would he have the ability to affect dilithium?
What makes the cause of the Burn “ the most Star Trek thing ever” is not some connection to TOS it’s the combination of several Trek tropes: psi powers, sub-space, funky radiation and emotional trauma.
Yeah. Like I said.
Go full TNG with it. Set it 75-100 years after the end of Picard S3 on an all new Enterprise, new crew, etc…maybe have someone like Jack show up as the token Legacy character to hand it off ala McCoy on TNG, Picard on DS9 and Quark on Voyager and go from there.
A good portion of the audience will be wondering, "Who is this 'Jack' and why should we care about him?"
Jack Crusher is nowhere near the icon that McCoy was.
I don't think you could even describe Jack Crusher as an icon. The general pubic tend to be familiar with icons. That's why they are icons.
Kack Crusher doesn't mean Jack to anyone who isn't a Trek fan.
It made sense for Star Trek: The Next Generation to be set after a time jump, as it got it out of the way of the Original Series movies that were still being made, but I'm not sure the huge gap really added much to the series. The Enterprise D could've been introduced entirely unchanged, brand new holodecks and all, as the Enterprise B. The alliance with the Klingons was shaky enough to have been something arranged recently and the Romulans weren't even around during the gap, so no time jump needed there either.
Really the biggest effect the time jump had on the show was that they could never make an episode, movie or spin-off that featured William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, James Doohan, Walter Koenig, George Takei, Grace Lee Whitney, Mark Lenard, John Colicos, Michael Ansara, William Campbell or Charlie Brill in their familar roles. Which is fortunate as I'm sure that would've been terrible every time they tried it
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Seriously though, I think they should put some people on a ship right after the events of Picard and just tell some Star Trek stories. When they have an idea as good as Sarek, Unification, Relics, Blood Oath, Trials and Tribble-ations etc they can bring some people back. The rest of the time they can focus on a cast of mostly new characters, seeking out new life and new civilisations. It's a formula that's worked in the past!
Really the biggest effect the time jump had on the show was that they could never make an episode, movie or spin-off that featured William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley, James Doohan, Walter Koenig, George Takei, Grace Lee Whitney, Mark Lenard, John Colicos, Michael Ansara, William Campbell or Charlie Brill in their familar roles. Which is fortunate as I'm sure that would've been terrible every time they tried it
.Seriously though, I think they should put some people on a ship right after the events of Picard and just tell some Star Trek stories. When they have an idea as good as Sarek, Unification, Relics, Blood Oath, Trials and Tribble-ations etc they can bring some people back. The rest of the time they can focus on a cast of mostly new characters, seeking out new life and new civilisations. It's a formula that's worked in the past!
I think the chance of a Picard spin-off are diminishing. The money isn't there, and the number of existing and future Star Trek projects is decreasing in number.
Perhaps we’ll get another crack at hit after a real-life time jump of twenty years.
Is the entire franchise now going to hinge on Starfleet: 90210?
I don't like Disco. It doesn't appeal to me. Stuff like programmable matter is just too out there to be believable.
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Is the entire franchise now going to hinge on Starfleet: 90210?
I don't like Disco. It doesn't appeal to me. Stuff like programmable matter is just too out there to be believable.
Ugh, I’m so sick of the 90210 references. Can we wait to actually see something from this show before we pass judgment on it?
Also, I’m not sure how the concept of programmable matter is so “out there” since it’s been an idea since the early 1990s. Unsolicited advice: Do a cursory Google search before you post. Might actually help your case a bit.
Maybe Nancy Drew's the better one, thanks to the CW writer overlap...Is the entire franchise now going to hinge on Starfleet: 90210?
I don't like Disco. It doesn't appeal to me. Stuff like programmable matter is just too out there to be believable.
Looking at the slate, we will have two seasons of SNW and a third possible (5 is the new norm for long running shows on streaming platforms), one season of the Starfleet Academy show, and the Section 31 movie. I am cynical about a theatrical movie.
Let's say you command a desk to become a golf ball.
Where does the extraneous matter go? Where does the excess matter go? (Unless you want a golf ball that's the size of a basketball.)
We were supposed to have flying cars by now.
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