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Ok I'll say it- I like the DSC Klingons
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They sound and speak just like TMP klingons. Go back and watch it, its not "Mush mouth" its the way they spoke.
Not a fan. The elongated heads particularly. Wouldn't be so bad if there were some with hair. That and starships that actually look Klingon, identifiable enough to have beauty passes across the screen. Half the time, I honestly have no idea what it is I'm looking at any more.
The interiors of the prison ship and the raider cockpit felt and looked Klingon. I don't mind the ancient sarcophagus ship design as it's supposed to be centuries old to begin with and constructed for religious and cultural purposes. But most of the rest of the new Klingon aesthetic is either disappointing or sucks.
Yeah. And that was really weird since TVH had already established that Klingons practice mummification, indicating reverence for the dead. TNG violated established canon big time with that one.
That's because the Klingon language spoken in STD was actually developed by a Klingon language expert based on the grammar and vocabulary developed by Marc Okrand, as in the TOS movies. Most of the Klingon "language" in the other Trek TV series was not actually proper Klingon.
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The problem is that they pronounce it super stiffly. There are too many guttural stops for the speech to flow naturally. They should design a dialect of Klingon that flows more fluently. Call it casual Klingon while Okrand pronunciation is the more formal variant. Such things pretty much always exist in real languages too.
Bingo.
When we are dealing with a fictional language in the first place, if they insist on using Klingon with subtitles then at least come up with a dialect that will let them say it in a normal pacing speed. The folks that don't care for it are even more irritated by the fact that the Klingon speeches at present seem to drag on.
They aren't Klingons. Not in any recognizable sense. Klingons don't torture defenseless captives. Klingons don't take sex slaves. Klingons don't eat their defeated opponents.
I'm all for fleshing out the Klingons to give them more diversity as a species, but this is completely unrealistic. Exactly none of the Klingons we've seen on screen act anything like any other Klingons we've ever seen. Why didn't the writers just give them a different name and make them a new species?
I'm all for fleshing out the Klingons to give them more diversity as a species, but this is completely unrealistic. Exactly none of the Klingons we've seen on screen act anything like any other Klingons we've ever seen. Why didn't the writers just give them a different name and make them a new species?
Uh, yes they do. In Star Trek III, Kruge openly threatened Saavik with torture if she wouldn't spill the secrets of Project Genesis, and then when Kirk showed up he ordered one of the prisoners executed just to prove he meant serious business. Before that, Kang also threatened the Enterprise landing party with torture in "Day of the Dove," and Kor had the Organians executed en masse (or at least, thought he was doing so) in order to try and force Kirk, Spock and Ayelborne to co-operate in "Errand of Mercy."
Even if you accept that the TNG-era Klingons were much more noble and honourable, the TOS-era Klingons were a nasty bunch. Probably the nicest Klingons we saw in this era (at least, prior to The Undiscovered Country) were Koloth and his crew in "The Trouble with Tribbles," as they at least confined their evil to poisoning grain and trash-talking the Enterprise in front of her crew.
i like the look and their speech though i can do without the subtitles.
from a drama and character standpoint they are pretty one dimensional villain types.
id like to see more depth.
from a drama and character standpoint they are pretty one dimensional villain types.
id like to see more depth.
I think the subtitles should stay, not all of us speak Klingon.
i think they should speak english in their own emphatic way.
if i wanna read that much dialogue ill read a book.
Oh! You should have said that then!
Klingons do torture people. Klingons have boasted repeatedly about eating their defeated enemies (although that was eating the heart, this was the flesh...) and no one took anyone as a sex slave here. Tyler's story is total BS - the captain he claimed kept him around for nookie all these 7 months was not even on that ship for most of the time. She was trapped on the sarcophagus ship with Voq for the first six months of the war.
I would like the Discovery Klingons better if the redesigns and physical appearances were shown beside traditional looking Klingons from ENT and TOS, so we can see a diversity of Klingon looks, uniforms, and ships.
Their actions, interpretation or definition of honor isn't much different than what we've seen in other Trek shows. However the burial rituals, the full cannibalism (though the eating of the heart of an enemy, yet not the whole body) has been mentioned before (ex. T'nag, DS9), and the frightful Klingon shushing Burnham's landing party when they first encountered Ripper, seem outside 'normal' Klingon behavior.
Their actions, interpretation or definition of honor isn't much different than what we've seen in other Trek shows. However the burial rituals, the full cannibalism (though the eating of the heart of an enemy, yet not the whole body) has been mentioned before (ex. T'nag, DS9), and the frightful Klingon shushing Burnham's landing party when they first encountered Ripper, seem outside 'normal' Klingon behavior.
While I am getting a little more used to their extremely modified look, they'd be easier to accept if it had been established that they were kind of a subculture or subspecies of the familiar Klingons we know, who would also have a place on the show. Perhaps similar to Romulans & Remans, though that may be a more extreme example. I did like the prison ship in "Choose Your Pain," however. The interior of that ship had a much more familiar Klingon aesthetic than anything else we've seen so far.
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