Spoilers Oh Oh..
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She's a Romulan. I'd bet real money on it.
I believe she is just a Vulcan traitor.
She's a Vulcan. Rizzo is the secret Romulan, and specifically needs a disguise to pull it off. It would be silly to have both that and another Romulan infiltrating a much higher position by just posing as Vulcan.
Rizzo: "Wait, I could have just pretended to be a Vulcan? Why no one told me that before I cut off the tips of my ears?"
Rizzo: "Wait, I could have just pretended to be a Vulcan? Why no one told me that before I cut off the tips of my ears?"
The IDIC in her office and other Vulcan decorations are enough to point to her being Vulcan to me. And I would assume Commodore is a sufficiently high enough rank that I doubt even the most dedicated of Romulan Tal Shiar agents would stay deep cover long enough to attain it. And not just Commodore, but I assume she works in Starfleet Security or Intelligence. That kind of rank in those divisions you would assume a person would be scrutinized enough that if they were a deep cover foreign agent, it would be exposed.
Clearly, however she feels a loyalty to her Romulan cousins, or at least shares their views on certain topics, notably AI in this case.
Clearly, however she feels a loyalty to her Romulan cousins, or at least shares their views on certain topics, notably AI in this case.
Which leads to another point, presumably the reason why Rizzo is posing as a human as opposed to a Vulcan is because a Romulan would find it intolerable to go around suppressing their emotions all day. Hell, that's the reason Romulans split from the Vulcans to begin with. With that in mind it makes it even less likely that Commodore Oh is really a Romulan posing as a Vulcan.
Sub-Commander Selok made Ambassador in the Federation, working under deep cover. Seems Starfleet Intelligence isn't what it used to be.
Well, my theory is she is an out and about former Romulan flag officer that joined Starfleet openly as a Romulan during/before/after the supernova events. And her having Vulcan artifacts on her desk wouldn't necessarily point to her being Vulcan either. Picard has awards from Klingons, he ain't Klingon 
Also she doesn't have a Vulcan-type name, she doesn't behave like a Vulcan (she doesn't mention logic every two seconds).
Also she doesn't have a Vulcan-type name, she doesn't behave like a Vulcan (she doesn't mention logic every two seconds).
I don't think that works out. Because a known Romulan in Starfleet would be under a heck of a lot more scrutiny than a Vulcan.
So I'd say she's either a deep cover Romulan, likely someone who was there well before the Synth attack, or she's a Vulcan with a soft spot for the Romulans. Or she could be a Synth...
True enough. Still, given we already know Rizzo is a Romulan agent, revealing Oh is also one doesn't make much sense. Plus given Admiral Clancy, the head of Starfleet seems to know about Oh's involvement with the Romulans, at least regarding the strike team, it raises some seriously disturbing questions that a Romulan deep cover agent is able to get a high rank in Security/Intelligence, put another deep cover agent there, and the head of Starfleet herself is aware of all this and okay with it.Sub-Commander Selok made Ambassador in the Federation, working under deep cover. Seems Starfleet Intelligence isn't what it used to be.
Oh, right. "Starfleet isn't a military." Therefore of course they allow deep cover foreign agents free reign among their own ranks.
Canonically, no. I think the novels suggest the Federation Security Agency, those guys who arrested McCoy in TSFS are some sort of joint federal law enforcement and intelligence agency. But from a strictly canonical perspective, it's just Starfleet Intelligence and Section 31.
I don't think she is under cover. She is either a Romulan doing what Romulans do, or she is a Vulcan who is a Romulan sympathizer, who has Romulans reporting to her, as well as higher ranking Admirals.. Whatever she is, she is not under cover physically.
I doubt she's publicly Romulan. After all, given the anti-Romulan sentiment that seems to be all over Starfleet and the Federation, even expressed by Admiral Clancy herself, it's very unlikely a Romulan serving in Starfleet could achieve flag rank. Vulcan with Romulan sympathies seems the most likely explanation for her, so it's what I'm sticking with until proven otherwise.
Federation Security Bureau.
Yes, the coincidence of initials shared with the Russian-language name of the successor-organization to the KGB is real.
Even the FSB delivered McCoy to Starfleet care for his offenses against the State.
That the boss of Starfleet is in fact happy with Romulans while shouting down Picard for saying the same is rather delightful if true. Of course, one might assume Romulus to be so fractured that at least one of its factions must be a perfect Starfleet ally, including against the other factions...
Timo Saloniemi
That the boss of Starfleet is in fact happy with Romulans while shouting down Picard for saying the same is rather delightful if true. Of course, one might assume Romulus to be so fractured that at least one of its factions must be a perfect Starfleet ally, including against the other factions...
Timo Saloniemi
Then Clancy reaching out to Oh regarding possible Romulan infiltration doesn't make sense if she thinks she is just a Vulcan. If Clancy knows she is a Vulcan with Romulan connections, then that makes her highest level of traitor as well as a badmiral. And I don't see that (yet). The way she dressed down Picard, makes me think she cares a lot about Federation and Starfleet. On the other hand, if Oh is a public Romulan, then Clancy reached out to her because Oh would be in a better position to figure out what Romulans are doing on Earth.
Vulcan.
Lt Rizzo refers to Commodore Oh as a "valuable ally"..if Oh was a Romulan there wouldn't need to be concerned about retaining her since the assumption is she's in it for life as a Romulan.
Having a Vulcan with shady morals and such isn't new..Gambit introduced that one that I can't remember her name (who played Saavik in TSFS) and Enterprise had plenty.
Lt Rizzo refers to Commodore Oh as a "valuable ally"..if Oh was a Romulan there wouldn't need to be concerned about retaining her since the assumption is she's in it for life as a Romulan.
Having a Vulcan with shady morals and such isn't new..Gambit introduced that one that I can't remember her name (who played Saavik in TSFS) and Enterprise had plenty.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Clancy can still be a Badmiral while still caring a lot about the Federation and Starfleet, rationalizing to herself the necessity of shady dealings for serving a greater good.
Which is exactly what Adm Cartwright was in TUC. It was an example of someone loving a thing to the point where it makes a person sacrifice their morals and what they know is right and wrong to achieve their goal.
Coincidentally this is the exact same arc that George Lucas used to explain Anakin's fall to the darkside in the SW prequels
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