Oh...JUST JUMP!!!

[Timewalker]

I would have made the Year of Hell really have happened. There were too many episodes where the timelines were magically straightened out (or an alternate Janeway destroyed the ship)... have some real consequences.

As for major characters really being gone... I would have gotten Riker off the ship permanently and replaced him with Shelby. And Worf would never have stayed on DS9. Picard would have taken a lot longer to get over his Borg and Cardassian experiences. BTW, there were two major character "deaths" if you count Kes changing into another lifeform and leaving and Original Harry being blown out into space. The Harry Kim who finished the trip was actually from a different universe.

 

[barnaclelapse]

So, how many people think Voyager was the worst offender in the whole reset button thing?

I'm not sure I necessarily believe that myself, but I'm curious to know what the general consent was as I read through these posts.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

In DS9: "In the Pale Moonlight" Sisko becomes an accessory to murder and delivers a wrenching monologue wondering whether he can live with himself. Is this hugely famous, series-defining moment ever touched on again? Nope.

I've always wondered to myself that if Sisko hadn't gone through what he went through in "In the Pale Moonlight" -- would he have been able to make the step of tacitly implying to Worf that Gowron needed to be killed later on in "Tacking into the Wind."

None of this is to say that Voygager shouldn't have had more continuity — it should have. But even serial television — or at least those serials like DS9 (or nuBSG) that aren't scripted fully in advance — are going to leave a bunch of unresolved stuff.

Serial television or not, Voyager was a bait and switch, there's no doubt about it. Most of the series, I totally forgot there were Maquis on the crew except for every now and then when they'd get out of a bind using some "old Maquis trick."

And as far as serial television is concerned -- if you're going to do a story arc, do a story arc. Make sure the network knows you're doing a story arc, and if they're okay with it, do it. If they're not okay with it, don't do it. But writers should probably check with the network before selling the premise to the fans.

I have no sympathy at all for writers who try to put out a serialized television series and then blame the network when things don't go the way they want and they end up having to gut the show into episodic stuff that it was never meant for. It's as if they didn't bother explaining the show to the network before it went into production. In other words --- it's a freaking arc -- write it. It's an insult to my intelligence as a viewer, for example, to try and come up with a huge Temporal Cold War Arc with this guy "Future Guy" and the writers don't even know who the frack he is, yet I, as a viewer, am supposed to be awed and intrigued by the guy and what he's supposed to represent. I've seen better written conspiracy blogs.

 

[Anwar]

Well, for Voyager what happened was that they proposed the series with continuity and arcs and all that. Paramount and UPN said okay, but then when they actually went and started making the series they changed their minds and ordered the writers to ditch it after they'd sold it to the audience. So the writers were screwed.

As for the Time War in ENT, that was UPN forced as well. That's why the staff had little idea how to do it, it wasn't their idea to begin with and was forced into the series.

 

[Captrek]

DS9: "Necessary Evil" ends with a big dramatic fallout in which Odo tells Kira he doesn't know whether he can trust her anymore. Any lasting repercussions from this? Nope.

Should there have been?

Odo was kind of ticked off at the moment, and wondered whether he could still trust Kira the way he had in the past. I just figure that as time passed, and Odo had a chance to relax and think it over, he realized that it was kind of unreasonable to expect Kira to come forward and volunteer a confession to this ancient crime, and that her failure to do so did not mean he couldn’t trust her.

This might appear to cheapen the end of Necessary Evil. You kind of want to believe that there’s something grand and cinematic happening in that final scene. I’m suggesting it was just characters in an emotional moment expressing feelings that hadn’t really had time to percolate. Seen in that light, the scene doesn’t pack as much punch, but I think it’s more realistic.

 

[WillsBabe]

Would have been interesting if they'd had Will Riker die in the cave in Second Chances and then had Tom Riker come to serve aboard the Enterprise as helm or something. Could have really messed around with the dynamics. I think though, that it was too late in TNG's run to get the best out of it, which is why they probably decided against it in the end.

 

[Anwar]

Actually, that's exactly why they changed their minds about it.

Also, it was a nice subversion of the "There are two of him now so one has to go" plot wherein both survived to live their own lives.

 

[Forbin]

Didn't they write Tom Riker off as joining the Maquis and being killed?

 

[DevilEyes]

Didn't they write Tom Riker off as joining the Maquis and being killed?

Except that he wasn't killed...

 

[Star Wolf]

In DS9: "In the Pale Moonlight" Sisko becomes an accessory to murder and delivers a wrenching monologue wondering whether he can live with himself. Is this hugely famous, series-defining moment ever touched on again? Nope.

I've always wondered to myself that if Sisko hadn't gone through what he went through in "In the Pale Moonlight" -- would he have been able to make the step of tacitly implying to Worf that Gowron needed to be killed later on in "Tacking into the Wind."

Sisko was a different kind of Starfleet officer. Long before the Dominion War he had used WMDs against the Maquis

 

[Anwar]

Yeah, I still can't believe he got away with that. He MUST have killed people in the chemical attack on that Maquis world, they couldn't have all gotten away.

 

[JarodRussell]

Aren't the fans directly or indirectly responsible for Spock's resurrection and the Enterprise-A?

 

[barnaclelapse]

Well, it was that and Nimoy regretting the decision after he had gone through with it.

 

[Star Wolf]

Well, it was that and Nimoy regretting the decision after he had gone through with it.

Besides Mission impossible wasn't knocking on the door to offer a reprise of that role.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

Sisko was a different kind of Starfleet officer. Long before the Dominion War he had used WMDs against the Maquis

True true! OMG I forgot how ruthless Sisko could be. Eddington manipulated the hell out of Sisko in that episode. Eddington pushed a little too hard and Sisko laid the smack down with WMDs.

I loved Eddington, he was one of my favorite characters and in addition, I'm one of those people who actually agrees with the Maquis re: the Fed/Cardassian treaty (which helped me be disappointed at the brushing off of the Maquis aspect on Voyager).

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Oh, that reminds me...seeing Sisko get court-martialed for the WMDs. At the very least, he should've been demoted back to Commander, if they were still going to have him on te show.

 

[DevilEyes]

Sisko was a different kind of Starfleet officer. Long before the Dominion War he had used WMDs against the Maquis

True true! OMG I forgot how ruthless Sisko could be. Eddington manipulated the hell out of Sisko in that episode. Eddington pushed a little too hard and Sisko laid the smack down with WMDs.

I loved Eddington, he was one of my favorite characters and in addition, I'm one of those people who actually agrees with the Maquis re: the Fed/Cardassian treaty (which helped me be disappointed at the brushing off of the Maquis aspect on Voyager).

Eddington would've been one of my favorite DS9 characters, if I didn't find the actor kind of annoying. His speech in "For the Cause" in which he compares the Federation to Borg is one of the highlights of the series for me, one of the highlights of all Trek series really, and a good example of why I love DS9.

 

[Anwar]

I always found that speech as one of the most ridiculous things in Trek. If the Federation actually went around destroying entire planets, mind-raping entire species and making it clear they wouldn't stop until the Universe was their plaything (no, the Feds don't want that) THEN Eddington would be believable. But the way he went about it...nah, it was just dumb.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Oh, that reminds me...seeing Sisko get court-martialed for the WMDs. At the very least, he should've been demoted back to Commander, if they were still going to have him on te show.

Im glad they didn't. It showed me that the writers of this show ACTUALLY made it seems as if Starfleet had some god-damn balls.

Its just like this shit with North Korea. What OBAMA should say to North Korea is this; launching a missile that goes over Hawaii will be considered an act of war on OUR PART, and we will shoot it down.

Grow some balls Obama!!!

Rob

 

[Anwar]

Using a WMD on what were mostly innocent civilians does not "take balls", dude...