October 2017 Star Trek novel

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by JWolf, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. Greg Cox

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    That could have been the case. I'm just saying that I was talking to Ed and Margaret regularly at the time, and I don't remember either of them saying anything along those lines. Could this be a case of fannish speculation that somehow evolved into "conventional wisdom" over time?
     
  2. ryan123450

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    Such a thing could occur????!? I'm shocked at such an idea! :rofl:
     
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  3. David cgc

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    Wasn't there another thing just in the past couple months that it turned out we had all been wrong about for ages? I feel like that was here in the Lit Forum.

    I've been having deja vu about this whole "thing that's been said repeatedly for years suddenly being shot down" progression.
     
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  4. Greg Cox

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    Psst! Victoria Vetri probably didn't play Isis in "Assignment: Earth" even though every website in the world lists that rumor as a "fact" these days.

    And Kirk and Uhura did not have the first interracial kiss on television. :)

    (At least not without a lot of asterisks.)
     
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  5. MadeIndescribable

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    The first *scripted* interracial kiss on *American* television if I remember rightly??
     
  6. Christopher

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    Only if you define "interracial" as black-white. There had certainly been interracial kisses between white actors and Latino or part-Asian actors (e.g. Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, or Robert Culp and France Nuyen in I Spy). Heck, even William Shatner had kissed nonwhite or mixed-ethnicity actresses before "Plato's" -- Pilar Seurat in a 1962 Naked City, BarBara Luna in "Mirror, Mirror" (she's part-Latin and part-Filipina), and arguably France Nuyen in "Elaan of Troyius" (shot earlier though aired later).

    Here's a nice overview of the issue:

    http://www.agonybooth.com/tvs-first-interracial-kiss-star-trek-27382
     
  7. MadeIndescribable

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    Fair enough, I was just going by what I've read previously, hadn't heard of those before.
     
  8. Idran

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    Not to harp, but just out of honest surprise: you hadn't heard of I Love Lucy?
     
  9. MadeIndescribable

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    I'd heard of the series, but not the inter-racial aspects.
     
  10. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Or rather had never considered it that way.

    There was a whole to-do about it, people unsure if they would be accepted as a TV couple. So they traveled the US with a comedy routine - some of "The Audition" (Seal act) and "The Diet" (Cuban Pete/Sally Sweet number) were part of that.
     
  11. MadeIndescribable

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    Nope, to be honest, I knew very little other than there was a TV series called "I Love Lucy". It wasn't really repeated on British TV when I was growing up (in the 90s/00s) for me to come across, and it never appealed enough for me to seek it out.
     
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    I'm in the same boat, I've heard of it, but just in passing and more because of the interwebs and I've never watched it.
     
  13. Christopher

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    Ironic to see this converation on a Trek board -- since the success of I Love Lucy allowed its stars, Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, to found their own production company called Desilu -- the company that eventually made Star Trek. This fandom and this forum would not exist if not for Lucy.
     
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  14. James Swallow

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    Yeah, you're about a decade out. I remember it airing on BBC 2 in the 80s...
     
  15. Greg Cox

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    There's a reason the planet in the LEGACIES trilogy is named "Usilde." It's an anagram of Desilu, our way of tipping our hat to Lucy and Desi on the 50th anniversary.
     
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    Haha, I did not catch that. Nice.
     
  17. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Nor I, but it's a lot harder to catch when you listen to the audiobooks! :p
     
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    It wasn't BBC2 it was Channel 4. Michael Grade loved it and so when he started Channel 4 it was one of the first thing he aired. I was 9 and loved it.