Occupied Planet Scenario. How would it be handled?

[Acenos]

How would the UFP handle a situation where one of their founding worlds is occupied by an invading alien force?

The example here being Earth and the invaders being the stereotypical "Destroy all Humans" Grey aliens who have observed Humanity throughout it's history but have stopped observing them following the end of WW3 when humanity was in a condition where they have lost the ability to defend themselves against the alien's superior weaponry due to being thrown back into the middle ages as a result of their civilization going up in nuclear flames. Thus they are vulnerable. However it takes a couple of centuries for them to mobilize the forces to invade as well as there planning going through several setbacks that delay the invasion. By the mid-23rd Century, the finally decide to invade and conquer Earth and enslave Humanity. Completely unaware that the Federation exists in this timeframe.

Pretty much idiots, no matter how big and developed their brains are. Also very clearly suffering from a Civilization-wide Napoleon Complex. The kind that will keep spouting anti-human statements (Humans are disgusting creatures, humans are inferior, humans are weak, humans cannot into space, etc) when the reality it's the exact opposite.

As part of their objective. Kill any Humans trying to negotiate peace. Because peace is no option to such an inferior and insignificant species. Either they bow down to the will of their alien overlords or be exterminated. Even if it means destroying cities just to break their will to fight.

So how would the federation handle affairs towards an aggressor alien species who's hatred is squarely at Humanity and Earth who want to see Humanity die or express great pleasure at watching them suffer immeasurably either because our physiology or anatomy disgusts them or for some petty and nonsensical reason that 23rd Century Humans would would find extremely ridiculous and laughable.

 

[BillJ]

Starfleet and their allies, namely the Klingons, open up a can of unconditional whoop ass.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Starfleet and their allies, namely the Klingons, open up a can of unconditional whoop ass.

In the mid-23rd century, the Klingons will probably join in. But, yeah, unless we're dealing with a massive overwhelming force, Starfleet with the assistance of the private Andorian and Vulcan Expeditionary Forces will overwhelm the invaders. We have to presume, on the basis of the OP, that the Greys only have enough to take out humanity as they perceived them in the 21st century (as anything more would be overkill and a waste of resources), in which case, they are doomed.

They might have the best chance in the 22nd century pre-Xindi. But the farther you go, after the Romulan Wars, the Klingon Wars, the worse off any attempted invasion force will be.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

By the mid 23rd Century, the Sol system is probably one of the most heavily trafficked and secure places in the Federation, with multiple overlapping defenses all the way out past the Oort cloud.

Unless the aliens posses technology considerably in advance of Starfleet - if they're seriously only expecting low-tech humans to still be scrabbling out of the wreckage of their world - they're not going to set foot on Earth.

Heck, if they're not complete imbeciles, they'll be detecting warp signatures and heavy comm. traffic long before they get to Sol and realize they've made an error. ("It was at that moment, Gorlak realized... he'd fucked up.")

If they're still not smart enough to bugger off quietly, well, then, as The Mighty Jingles says,

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[Sci]

How do you think they'll handle it? They'll fight back until they've liberated Earth (or Vulcan, or Andor, or Tellar, or Alpha Centauri, or what-have-you) from their conquerors.

 

[publiusr]

Now, if I wanted to attack Earth now, I’d use an asteroid for plausible deniability.

In the trek-verse, I might try to weaponize WR-104 and coax it into a gamma ray burst.
On a galactic scale, knock a quasar over such that the x-ray jets go through the galactic plane, instead of above or below it.

The Burn indeed

 

[somebuddyX]

Beam them all into space. The only good Grey is a dead Grey!

 

[at Quark's]

I'm not sure how well defended Earth actually is in the 24th century. What we saw in BOBW during the Borg invasion in our solar system didn't look impressive (granted, no amount of defenses would have stopped them anyway). Also the Breen were apparently able to bombard Starfleet HQ and San Fransisco.

 

[Acenos]

if they're seriously only expecting low-tech humans to still be scrabbling out of the wreckage of their world - they're not going to set foot on Earth.

Remember what happened to the primitive natives of foreign lands when the Europeans discovered and set foot on them?

 

[somebuddyX]

We have that big honkin' Verteron array space gun on Mars in the 22nd Century which could dice up some alien scum real nice. The First Contact draft script gave Earth a satellite defense grid but we obviously never saw it in action in the actual film.
EXT. SPACE - EARTH 23

There are Starfleet satellites and space stations in
close orbit. The Borg Sphere seen before enters frame.
The satellites open fire, but they have little effect
on the massive Borg Sphere, which returns fire,
EXPLODING them in orbit.

 

[The Wormhole]

How would the UFP handle a situation where one of their founding worlds is occupied by an invading alien force?

A fight would ensue.

 

[Doom Shepherd]

Remember what happened to the primitive natives of foreign lands when the Europeans discovered and set foot on them?

You did not understand my post.

If they are seriously expecting only to have to fight primitive squatters, they are not going to be prepared for fighting starships because, as Tim pointed out, bringing an M1A1 main battle tank to take over an elementary school is a waste of resources.

So they won't make it to Earth to land a force large enough to successfully occupy the planet.

 

[Farscape One]

I'm not sure how well defended Earth actually is in the 24th century. What we saw in BOBW during the Borg invasion in our solar system didn't look impressive (granted, no amount of defenses would have stopped them anyway). Also the Breen were apparently able to bombard Starfleet HQ and San Fransisco.

With the Borg attack, we only know what we saw, which wasn't much, I agree. But there were likely some defenses that were unseen that could have been destroyed.

Regarding the Breen, no one has ever even tried to directly attack Earth, except the Borg. Martok even stated the Klingons wouldn't have dared, so this was an unexpected scenario. Plus, in this late stage of the Dominion War, they likely had their resources diverted to other areas that Starfleet felt was more vulnerable. Additionally, when the Breen attacked, they had only just got in bed with the Dominion, so general word of this hadn't gotten out. I think the Breen had only a couple ships, which wasn't large enough to raise any alarms until it was too late.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Remember what happened to the primitive natives of foreign lands when the Europeans discovered and set foot on them?

Earth is a member of an interstellar nation/alliance with various high tech weapons at it's disposal. So it's not like they'd be fighting with stone knives and bear skins. An invasion of Earth is an invasion of the Federation. Any invader would be facing the full military might of the UFP.

 

[Tim Thomason]

What would happen if, today, the Eastern United States was invaded and occupied by the full might of the British East India Trading Company? Would France and Germany help defend the US against this possibly overwhelming force?

 

[Nerys Myk]

What would happen if, today, the Eastern United States was invaded and occupied by the full might of the British East India Trading Company? Would France and Germany help defend the US against this possibly overwhelming force?

Before or after they and the US started laughing?

 

[Silvercrest]

So how would the federation handle affairs towards an aggressor alien species who's hatred is squarely at Humanity and Earth who want to see Humanity die or express great pleasure at watching them suffer immeasurably either because our physiology or anatomy disgusts them or for some petty and nonsensical reason that 23rd Century Humans would would find extremely ridiculous and laughable.

If the aliens waited until the 24th Century, the story would be totally different. Picture this:

Earth: Welcome!
Greys: Crush! Kill! Destroy all humans!
Earth: You're mistaken. We've evolved ourselves. We've progressed beyond the petty need for the accumulation of possessions. We work to better ourselves.
Greys: Crush! Kill! Destroy all humans!
Earth: Also, we have root beer. Would you like to join us?
Garak: <facepalm>
Greys: Crush! Kill! Destroy all humans!
Earth: Also, we have free holosuites with "Vulcan Love Slave XIII" pre-loaded.
Greys: O rly?

 

[Acenos]

Earth is a member of an interstellar nation/alliance with various high tech weapons at it's disposal. So it's not like they'd be fighting with stone knives and bear skins. An invasion of Earth is an invasion of the Federation. Any invader would be facing the full military might of the UFP.

I was referring to post WW3 earth.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I was referring to post WW3 earth.

I thought the scenario was about mid 23rd Century Earth?

 

[Nyotarules]

So how would the federation handle affairs towards an aggressor alien species who's hatred is squarely at Humanity and Earth who want to see Humanity die or express great pleasure at watching them suffer immeasurably either because our physiology or anatomy disgusts them or for some petty and nonsensical reason that 23rd Century Humans would would find extremely ridiculous and laughable.

Send Kirk to seduce all their women