Obi Wan series on the way?

[Jayson1]

We obviously know more about what's going on then Ewan McGregor. And if he says something that we don't agree with... THEY GOT TO HIM!!!!!

It's not a conspiracy. It's more likely PR. I mean why would they tell a truth if it makes them look bad for a tv show they want to make money off? You see it all the time. Terrible movie comes out but everyone promoting it tries to sell the public on what a great movie it was. How fun it was working with their co-workers and all that usual jazz.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

I am kind of playing both sides here so here is my real opinion: something went very wrong, IF THE RUMORS ARE TRUE. If the reason for the rewrites is that the show was too similar to Mandalorian - someone screwed up. If the rumor that the show has been cut from 6 to 4 episodes is true... that's a big deal and that sucks for us viewers. Someone messed up. And because KK said the scripts are complete, and then we learn that only 2 have been completed, and they are not usable... that's a major fuck up.

The reason I am not going all crazy about this is that I don't know what's going on. However it's quite likely that someone messed up. Maybe this kind of screw up happens all the time in Hollywood. Maybe not. If we get the 6 episodes we were told about on time, then I'll go with "it was never a big deal". Otherwise Ewan is understating.

I think it's only a big deal in the sense they are always having these issues. By itself it is a little concerning but nothing to write home about but still interesting enough to speculate about.


Jason

 

[Booji]

Give the blind KK fanaticism a break. This is repeating history at Lucasfilm and simple facts. Deny reality if you want, I won't

Put your money where your mouth is and tell us how KK messed up Rebels and TFA.

 

[fireproof78]

ugh. It didn't make money.
It lost money for the studio. How can you say that? Do you live in a fantasy?

No, just aware that it isn't as dire as the Internet warriors portray.

Obstinacy is a fun emotion.
Maybe you can trust box office mojo.
Or wikipedia.
Or Google. Type in the phrase "did Solo lose money?"
Get cracking, my friend.

Nope. The Internet isn't a trustworthy source. Telling me to "Google something" is proof of precisely zero

If Solo lost too much money people would have resigned. They didn't. They moved on and continue their business.

Fandom would do well to pay attention.

 

[Campe]

The Internet isn't a trustworthy source. Telling me to "Google something" is proof of precisely zero

Word.

Having just completed my Masters during the digital age, I will say, that in the seventeen years between completing my bachelors and masters were two wildly different experiences. I would go to the library and spend hours researching during my bachelors, looking through the stacks and the rudimentary computers set up for library access. Finishing my masters, I would consult the same sources as I would have with my bachelors, but my school library was 1300 miles away from where I studied so, that would be a task in itself. The internet as it comes to distance learning is an amazing thing. My classes had people from Widby Island in Washington State to South Florida and everywhere in between. The knowledge shared in this group was amazing because of the diversity of thought and background. Far more from the liberal arts college I went to ten miles from where I grew up.

The difference is: the sources that I utilized are cited, vetted and peer reviewed. Sure, I used the occasional blog for a source in my paper, but you bet your ass that I confirmed the source was reputable and had two or three supporting sources to back up the point.

When it comes to entertainment, it’s a very difficult idea to believe those things on the web. So much is opinion. So much is supposition based on how the author or vlogger sees things. Opinion is fine. Supposition is fine. But it doesn’t change the fact that we only see the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this stuff. We think we know all the details when in fact we don’t.

If Solo lost too much money people would have resigned. They didn't. They moved on and continue their business.

Fandom would do well to pay attention.

It has been stated that Solo lost $50 million at the box office. That’s not that big of a loss when it comes to multi billion dollar properties. And we don’t know all the other details. Were there tax rebates for where they shot? What about the merchandising deals? How much in the grand scheme did Solo really make when you take all that into consideration?

We don’t know.

Just like we don’t know exactly what is going on with Kenobi except to say: Rewrites are happening. And according to the star of the project, its not as dramatic as it seems.

 

[fireproof78]

It has been stated that Solo lost $50 million at the box office. That’s not that big of a loss when it comes to multi billion dollar properties. And we don’t know all the other details. Were there tax rebates for where they shot? What about the merchandising deals? How much in the grand scheme did Solo really make when you take all that into consideration?

We don’t know.

No, we don't know. Your point about research and sources is well taken. The Internet is a highly biased source, which means that bias must be taken in to account. We don't have all the information-for obvious reasons. LFL and Disney do well to protect their business goings on for reasons that should be obvious.

A loss of 50 million sounds bad-until we do it as a matter of percentages. And that's the point. If it lost sufficient money then someone's job would be lost. It didn't lose sufficient money, it made back its filming budget, which is impressive given the BTS drama. Business goes on.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

If it lost one dollar it would still be a loss. Believe me $50 million is a significant loss. And if it lost money it most certainly did not "make sufficient money"

 

[fireproof78]

If it lost one dollar it would still be a loss. Believe me $50 million is a significant loss. And if it lost money it most certainly did not "make sufficient money"

I don't believe you.

It made sufficient money that people didn't lose their jobs. That is sufficient for me.

It will never be sufficient for those who wish Kennedy ill. I do wonder how many times Lucas was demanded to resign after the PT?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I don't believe you.

It made sufficient money that people didn't lose their jobs. That is sufficient for me.

It will never be sufficient for those who wish Kennedy ill. I do wonder how many times Lucas was demanded to resign after the PT?

i guarantee you at a $50 million ;loss people lost their jobs (not the right people, but people)

 

[fireproof78]

i guarantee you at a $50 million ;loss people lost their jobs (not the right people, but people)

Proof?

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Proof that Solo lost 50 million.. That's been provided. I can't prove that people lost their jobs, but its a pretty assured. A company loses that much money things happen.

But maybe they are dumber than I think and fired no one .

But they are not happy losing $50 million.. and it certainly did not "make sufficient money" (a claim that it did that YOU have not proven)

 

[Campe]

The Last Jedi made $1.3 billion but is considered a failure in some circles because it didn’t do as well as The Force Awakens*. The goalposts move based upon the outcome intended by the party. Therefore my opinions of any armchair quarterback when it comes to box office is taken with huge grains of salt.


* a nearly impossible task by any metric

 

[fireproof78]

But they are not happy losing $50 million.. and it certainly did not "make sufficient money" (a claim that it did that YOU have not proven)

No one got fired. Proof enough for me.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

No one got fired. Proof enough for me.

and I'm sure you KNOW that. Maybe you are right. But you don't know that.

and you still have not provided proof that "it made sfficient amount of money" when every damn source says that it lost money for the studio.

You remind me of that scene in My Cousin Vinny, where the guy is able to cook grits faster than is possible. "Perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove! Were these magic grits? Did you buy them from the same guy who sold Jack his beanstalk beans?"

 

[fireproof78]

and you still have not provided proof that "it made sfficient amount of money" when every damn source says that it lost money for the studio

No one got fired. Disney employees have resigned after a significant loss.

I was wrong in my initial assertion about making money. But, it made sufficient money that people didn't lose their jobs.

It goes to the fact that Disney is sufficiently pleased with LFL's output to let it continue with current leadership.

 

[Campe]

John Carter lost $200 million. The disappointment from Disney was all over the web at the time.

Solo lost $50 million. No one is denying that fact. But the idea that they weren’t bracing for that is ridiculous. The behind the scenes issues were significant. The movie was expected to make $150 million over opening 4 day weekend. It made $104 million. There is no question that is a loss and a disappointment. The question Disney asked wasn’t: Should someone lose their job? It’s why did this happen? We could speculate until we’re blue in the face. But again they have information we don’t.

 

[fireproof78]

Bob Iger pretty much owned Solo's issues. If he wanted some fired they would have been.

Instead, they do what a lot of businesses do-regrouped, adjusted strategies and moved on.

 

[Campe]

In 2018, Disney had a net income of $13.1 billion. I don’t know a ton about box office, but I do know enough about business to know that a $50 million loss is not that big of a loss when you’re talking that big of a profit.

As said upthread, it’s all about percentages. If Siri did the math right for me (I fucking hate percentages), the percentage in this case is: 0.3816%.

Yes, you read that right. The percentage of loss is that small compared to the profit.

 

[fireproof78]

Bob Iger pretty much owned Solo's issues. If he wanted some fired they would have been.

Instead, they do what a lot of businesses do-regrouped, adjusted strategies and moved on.

In 2018, Disney had a net income of $13.1 billion. I don’t know a ton about box office, but I do know enough about business to know that a $50 million loss is not that big of a loss when you’re talking that big of a profit.

As said upthread, it’s all about percentages. If Siri did the math right for me (I fucking hate percentages), the percentage in this case is: 0.3816%.

Exactly. It is a game of percentages. 50 million sounds like a lot until you get the whole context.

"Didn't meet expectations" is a world away from "someone's getting fucking fired."

 

[Campe]

As Captain Lorca suggested: “Context is for kings.”

Look, it ultimately doesn’t matter to me if Solo or The Last Jedi was successful or not. It is, admittedly, a curiosity of mine to look at these things, but I don’t own stock in Disney. I don’t work for them despite their ever expanding footprint. Their success makes absolutely no difference to me. What does matter to me is that I have a good time. With differing levels on all five Disney Star Wars films, I’ve had fun.

Of course, as with all things, your mileage may vary.