NuTrek's big, controversial premises

[CorporalCaptain]

Talk like that and the thought police will be at your door!

Tantalus V or Elba II, depending on what else you've done!

 

[fireproof78]

Talk like that and the thought police will be at your door!

What makes you think they're not already here...?

The thing that sticks in the craw about SNW's use of the Gorn is that it did not need, in any way, to be the Gorn. You could have literally the exact same scripts and even visuals but switch the word "Gorn" for, like, "Krelak" and nobody at any point would think they were even loosely based on the Gorn.

There was no reason I can see to not make a new species, other than cargo cult obsession with reciting words and phrases from scripts written by other people sixty years ago, and an inexplicable desire to turn a universe that should be a canvas for infinite possibility into something that constantly refers back to like ten fandom wiki articles.

If you look at Star Trek as a comfort food viewing experience it helps explain the desire for the familiar over anything new.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Gorn and Chapel were improvements. That's the sort of change I can live with.

 

[BillJ]

The Gorn and Chapel were improvements. That's the sort of change I can live with.

The Gorn pretty much make “Arena” impossible. The Velocigorn would’ve ran down and devoured Kirk in about thirty seconds.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Gorn pretty much make “Arena” impossible. The Velocigorn would’ve ran down and devoured Kirk in about thirty seconds.

I can imagine the Gorn is faster and more flexible than what was presented.

 

[BillJ]

I can imagine the Gorn is faster and more flexible than what was presented.

That’s what makes “Arena” problematic. Had the same issue with their presentation from the Star Trek (2013) video game.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That’s what makes “Arena” problematic. Had the same issue with their presentation from the Star Trek (2013) video game.

Can't see the Gorn getting out of the swamp, much less into space if we limit them to what was shown in Arena,

 

[BillJ]

Can't see the Gorn getting out of the swamp, much less into space if we limit them to what was shown in Arena,

Just circles back to the idea that the new version of the Gorn makes “Arena” impossible in its original form.

 

[Starflight]

The Gorn and Chapel were improvements. That's the sort of change I can live with.

Chapel's arguably an improvement in that the reimagining gives personality to a perfunctory character who largely had none (a process TAS already started), but the SNW Gorn appear to be a totally different entity entirely.

The original Gorn exist to serve one story, "Arena". Reimagining them as chestburster-Zerg hybrids six decades later to tell entirely different stories doesn't really feel like it enriches "Arena" in retrospect, nor does it expand on their original purpose; they're just a new plot device with no connection to the original Gorn beyond the name.

 

[1001001]

The Gorn in Arena was ridiculous.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Just circles back to the idea that the new version of the Gorn makes “Arena” impossible in its original form.

Gotta read between the lines. The Gorn is formidable opponent in spite of how he's presented on screen. There were limits on how the Gorn could be portrayed.

 

[BillJ]

Gotta read between the lines. The Gorn is formidable opponent in spite of how he's presented on screen. There were limits on how the Gorn could be portrayed.

Kirk would’ve been quickly eaten by Velocigorn. No weapons, no real places to hide.

First time, face-to-face, it would’ve gutted Kirk.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kirk would’ve been quickly eaten by Velocigorn. No weapons, no real places to hide.

First time, face-to-face, it would’ve gutted Kirk.

Nah, it's Star Trek and he's Kirk.

 

[1001001]

Nah, it's Star Trek and he's Kirk.

He could just kick the Gorn in the “knee.”

 

[Set Harth]

I just think of them as the Xorn.

 

[fireproof78]

Boy, all Gorn are the same?

 

[Farscape One]

Just like the Xindi. All the same...

 

[HotRod]

Kirk would’ve been quickly eaten by Velocigorn. No weapons, no real places to hide.

First time, face-to-face, it would’ve gutted Kirk.

The Gorn in Arena was old and of a different variety than what was seen in SNW. Problem solved.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Gorn captain kept his rollator in his quarters against his last doctor's orders. (He got a new doctor after spacing the last one for bringing up the rollator in front of the crew.)

 

[The Salt Umpire]

That wasn't al-female either. Uhura got duded, PROCRUSTEAN-style.

I thought that Marshak and McIntyre missed the opportunity for a sequel...

(wait for it, it's worth the pun, trust me)

The Procustean Picard