NuTrek's big, controversial premises

[Lord Garth]

Take any person from any period and put them 900 years into their future... there is no way the transition will be THAT smooth. It was (yet another) failure of the writing of DISCO.

I have to agree with that. Even if they didn't want to show the Discovery crew adjusting to the 32nd Century, a simple "one year later" would've been enough to cover it. At least it would've shown they tried or at least thought about it. Instead of the entire crew having the time to adjust, it's only Burnham.

It's another one of those things that slowly soured me on the 32nd Century over time. Ultimately with Discovery for me, it was always "the show I wanted it to be vs. the show it actually was". Which is far easier for me to see now that it's over and I'm two years removed from it. Throw in not being a fan of anything that spun off from it either.

 

[Shawnster]

900 years in the future and it still feels the same tech wise (except for the occasional beaming to different decks). Ships definitely don't feel any faster, but that's because they always travel at the speed of plot. Phasers, torpedoes all seem to do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time.

 

[DonIago]

They could do site-to-site transporting in TNG; they just rarely did.

 

[BillJ]

They could do site-to-site transporting in TNG; they just rarely did.

They could do it in Discovery. Plus, it was done in “Day of the Dove”.

 

[Shawnster]

They could do it in Discovery. Plus, it was done in “Day of the Dove”.

In Day of the Dove, though, it was explicitly stated to be risky. By TNG, it was routinely safe. I liked that bit of technological progress and nod to TOS.

 

[Nyotarules]

hey already lampshaded that a bit when Pike orders the holography stripped out in DISCO S2.

I hated that line, the producers need to stop pandering to every waah waah fan who cries 'me no likey dat'

 

[Shawnster]

I hated that line, the producers needs to stop pandering to every waah waah fan who cries 'me no likey dat'

They need to pick a lane.

Kirk's Enterprise did not have holodecks or holographic communications, therefore Pike orders the comm ripped out and the holodeck idea shelved.

Meanwhile, let's totally reinterprete the Gorn and Chapel because art should not be constrained by what has come before.

Pick a lane. Either be true to the source material or do your own thing and tell the cannonistas to pound sand. Quit trying to eat your cake and have it, too.

 

[Set Harth]

Imagine having a cake but not being allowed to eat it!

 

[Nerys Myk]

They need to pick a lane.

Kirk's Enterprise did not have holodecks or holographic communications, therefore Pike orders the comm ripped out and the holodeck idea shelved.

Meanwhile, let's totally reinterprete the Gorn and Chapel because art should not be constrained by what has come before.

Pick a lane. Either be true to the source material or do your own thing and tell the cannonistas to pound sand. Quit trying to eat your cake and have it, too.

Like a lot of fiction, they'll pick and choose.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Just don’t make the TOS cast all female. That didnt work so well with Ghostbusters.

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[BillJ]

Kirk's Enterprise did not have holodecks or holographic communications, therefore Pike orders the comm ripped out and the holodeck idea shelved.

“The Practical Joker” says hi.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

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That wasn't al-female either. Uhura got duded, PROCRUSTEAN-style.

 

[Turtletrekker]

That wasn't al-female either. Uhura got duded, PROCRUSTEAN-style.

Counterpoint -- The all female Ghostbusters duded their Janine analog.

 

[fireproof78]

They need to pick a lane.

Kirk's Enterprise did not have holodecks or holographic communications, therefore Pike orders the comm ripped out and the holodeck idea shelved.

Meanwhile, let's totally reinterprete the Gorn and Chapel because art should not be constrained by what has come before.

Pick a lane. Either be true to the source material or do your own thing and tell the cannonistas to pound sand. Quit trying to eat your cake and have it, too.

It's already an altered timeline so it will only lead in to TOS in being similar events, but the timeline has changed, per "Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow."

There are now two cakes to be eaten.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

TIL, "duded" is a verb in the senses used above.

 

[BillJ]

There are now two cakes to be eaten.

New here? Only allowed to think about these things as one giant thing, unless pre-approved by CBS.

 

[fireproof78]

New here? Only allowed to think about these things as one giant thing, unless pre-approved by CBS.

I also think TMP is separate continuity from TOS.

 

[BillJ]

I also think TMP is separate continuity from TOS.

Talk like that and the thought police will be at your door!

 

[Starflight]

The thing that sticks in the craw about SNW's use of the Gorn is that it did not need, in any way, to be the Gorn. You could have literally the exact same scripts and even visuals but switch the word "Gorn" for, like, "Krelak" and nobody at any point would think they were even loosely based on the Gorn.

There was no reason I can see to not make a new species, other than cargo cult obsession with reciting words and phrases from scripts written by other people sixty years ago, and an inexplicable desire to turn a universe that should be a canvas for infinite possibility into something that constantly refers back to like ten fandom wiki articles.

 

[BillJ]

The thing that sticks in the craw about SNW's use of the Gorn is that it did not need, in any way, to be the Gorn. You could have literally the exact same scripts and even visuals but switch the word "Gorn" for, like, "Krelak" and nobody at any point would think they were even loosely based on the Gorn.

There was no reason I can see to not make a new species, other than cargo cult obsession with reciting words and phrases from scripts written by other people sixty years ago.

I just think of them as the Xorn. No muss, no fuss, no continuity hiccups.