Spoilers No Time to Die - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Commander Richard, Sep 28, 2021.

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Rate the movie...

  1. 10 - Excellent

    4.2%
  2. 9

    27.1%
  3. 8

    22.9%
  4. 7

    16.7%
  5. 6

    12.5%
  6. 5

    4.2%
  7. 4

    2.1%
  8. 3

    2.1%
  9. 2

    6.3%
  10. 1 - Terrible

    2.1%
  1. PhotoBoy

    PhotoBoy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Saw the film last night, for the most part it was really good. I’d have much preferred if Bond had been able to sail off into the sunset rather than be killed off. They really outdid themselves on this film with all the globe trotting and gorgeous locations they found. They seemed to travel to even more places than the last M:I film.

    I get the feeling they must have re-edited the movie to change Heracles to be nano-machines instead of a virus because of Covid. It makes so much more sense as a virus- it’s stolen from a bio-weapons lab, the manufacturing process on Chemical Island seems much more how you’d culture a virus, it’s somehow permanent and can be transferred indefinitely which makes more sense with a self-replicating virus and EMPs wouldn’t affect viruses. I don’t necessarily mind, it just sort of stuck out to me as I was watching.

    It was nice to see Q plug Obruchev’s USB stick into a “sandbox”. It irked me no end in Skyfall to see the supposed boy genius just plug an enemy device directly into their top secret MI6 network and just switch it on. It should have been x-rayed, dismantled and the drive cloned.

    I loved how Lyutsifer’s base reminded me so much of Dr. No, it was a really fantastic and visually arresting series of sets. I really need to re-watch Dr. No now as it’s been years since I last watched it.

    Zimmer’s score was OK, it’s fairly bland played over headphones but at full blast in a cinema it manages to work. There were a few places where it sounded like Batman Begins! The Billie Eilish song was pretty meh, but maybe it was grow on me, most of them do after a few listens. I still miss the iconic scores of John Barry.

    My favourite moment was when Obruchev was raving at Nomi that he’d program the nano machines to wipe out “her race” and she kicked him into the lake of nano machines. :lol:

    Overall I’d give it a 7/10. Probably Craig’s second best Bond after Casino Royale.
     
  2. Starkers

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    ^ re re-editing of the film, my understanding was that the film was locked in as the pandemic began, and that no changes or reshoots have been made, or even could have been made.
     
  3. Vger23

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    I personally loved it. I think it's one of my favorite Bond movies, and just a hair under Casino Royale. That said, I've never had the desire to see a Bond movie more than once in the theater, and I will indeed be doing that this coming weekend with NT2D.

    9/10
     
  4. Saul

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    That worked out for the best. I think changing and reshooting things because of the pandemic would have only hurt the film.
     
  5. MakeshiftPython

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    The rumors of reshooting the film stems from a Midnight’s Edge video. After delaying the film due to COVID-19, ME was claiming that the real reason for the delay was because there were test audiences reacting negatively to the “woke” elements in the film and that MGM was scrambling to do massive reshoots to get rid of the “woke” stuff.

    Of course, that all turned out to be bullshit. No surprise. I always knew they were full of it, but I’m much more super familiar with Bond productions than I am with Star Wars and Star Trek, so it was even easier for me to see right through what ME was trying to put out.
     
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  6. wayoung

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    They did do some last minute reshoots and editing/digital effects after the film was delayed into 2021, but it was due to the product placement contracts not for story purposes. Big money in those contracts and the partners didn't want a 2021 film advertising outdated products.
     
  7. FPAlpha

    FPAlpha Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Just saw it and a bit sad to see Craig's Bond series end with such a whimper of a movie when it started with probably the best Bond movie ever.

    A villain with no real motivation bent on wiping out part/the whole world, a supposed love interest with zero chemistry to Craig ( she couldn't hold a candle to Vesper Lynd/Eva Green), nearly no humor ( at least not one i found funny or charming) and far too long for whatever meat the story had.

    The world had been waiting for ages for this movie due to the damned virus and we got what we got - well, let's hope the next Bond will re-invigorate the franchise again much the same as Craig did when he took over.
     
  8. Brobdingnag

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    Indeed, we can see some brand names appear here and there.
     
  9. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    :lol: That explains a lot...
     
  10. Brobdingnag

    Brobdingnag Captain Red Shirt

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    At least they're both French...;)
     
  11. Mr. Adventure

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    Caught this the other night, not quite my bag of tea to mix my metaphors. It started OK and some of the action when it comes is cool. I liked Paloma as everyone else did but found myself a bit bored as it went on. The villains were lackluster but maybe it’d help if I could understand Malek better, I had trouble making him out.

    I don’t know what I think of nu007 if they were to stick with her. It’s hard to give a fair shake while watching a Bond movie. Maybe in a movie built around her?

    Definitely a good ad for Astons. I’m not generally gaga over them but damned if they aren’t sexy here.

    Somehow it seems like the fate of Craig’s Bond was always meant to be tragic so the ending didn’t seem too out of place or unexpected.

    With a name like that he must not be the ladies man that Bond was.
     
  12. Starbreaker

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    I'll give it a 7. I haven't really enjoyed a Bond film since Casino Royale, but this one comes close to being researchable. There's just something wrong with the writing that I can't put my finger on. Too many useless side characters. Q and the new 007 and Moneypenny must have had deleted scenes because they are just haphazardly thrown into this film for name recognition. I really enjoyed the ending though.
     
  13. Brobdingnag

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    I think the premise is highly questionable

    Bond leaves the love of his life because of an unexplained coincidence and never contacts her again for five years! You'd think double-o seven would know better than to do a stupid thing like that.
     
  14. Starkers

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    Not an unexplained coincidence, Blofeld flat out tells him she's working for Spectre. 007 is just an idiot for believing him, especially given his enemies have form; Le Chiffre's "Your friend Mathis is really my friend Mathis." Falling for that once is understandable, falling for it twice...
     
  15. Kai "the spy"

    Kai "the spy" Admiral Admiral

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    Finally saw the movie. and I'm glad I didn't go see this in a theater, as this was almost the exact opposite of what I want from a Bond movie, not surprising me in the least since Casino Royale was the only Craig-era Bond I cared to watch more than once.

    Now, listen, I'm not one of the "this isn't the real Bond" crowd, I don't question the validity of Craig's Bond, and if you like these movies, as so many people do, all power to you. And this isn't about quality, either, these are well-written (well, except for Quantum), well-directed and well-acted movies with top-of-the-notch action. They're just not what I want from James Bond.

    What I want from a Bond movie is fun, light entertainment, that if it says anything at all, it says something about global politics instead of the inner workings of the main character. I like M, Q and Moneypenny, but in small doses. And I want casual sex to be okay for consenting adults (and while I can forgive the "consenting" part to be stretched in the Connery and Moore era as a sign of the times, Bond's entanglement with Sévérine in 2012's Skyfall did rub me the wrong way).

    What I liked about this movie are mostly two side-characters: Ana de Arma's "three week's training" Paloma, and Primo the cyclops who is very much in line with the classic Bond henchmen.

    So, for the future, I'd personally like more fun, less psychologizing, less personal vendettas. But if I don't get my way, no foul. There are twenty pre-Craig Bond movies I can always revisit.
     
  16. Brobdingnag

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    Yeah, but he's a liar and he hates Bond with a passion... of course he'd say something like that! Even more so if it wasn't true. How gullible can someone get?
     
  17. Brobdingnag

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    Indeed, her Kung Fu against multiple opponents in an evening gown was both amusing and impressive, not to mention sexy as hell, she's a very attractive woman.
     
  18. Starkers

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    Just watched it again VOD. If anything I think I enjoyed it more. I liked Nomi more this time, and actually Saffin was better too. Damn if I didn't shed a tear at the end this time (I think in the cinema I was too in shock)

    Really obvious how similar this was to DAD (but not in a bad way). The film starts with Bond gone rogue in Cuba, he returns to London and the MI6 fold and then immediately heads somewhere Nordic before the finale in the Far East! Damn you Purvis and Wade! :lol:

    Once again I'm ashamed I didn't really like Madeline in Spectre because she really is good in this.

    Things I missed before. The scientists at the start wearing Dr No style hazmat suits! Bond saying "This is my..." and then mouthing the word family with a bemused look on his face!

    And was Vesper really just 23 in CR? Like how they've made Eva Green three years younger, bet she loves that!
     
  19. STEPhon IT

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    Agreed. OO7 is really stupid in these movies and this has lead to some horrible circumstances, Skyfall comes to mind, but in No Time to Die Bond believes what the Spectre, Bionic eye, henchmen said about Madeleine being an agent??? It's obvious the man was lying and also I'm guessing Bond has had some time with her to know she's a pretty straight up good person and wouldn't have her life of anonymity before he funneled her out if she was part of them. He totally forgot she's the reason why he knows Blofeld's organization. I hope the producers don't ever develop OO7 this idiotic again.
     
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  20. JoeZhang

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    Reviewing the film - the nanobots do feel like an add-on - we see some graphics which can be added in post-production and when Q uses the term twice, he's always alone in shot which would make it easy to add in later.

    I think was a straight forward designer bio-weapon until Covid.
     
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