Definitely the case.
No respect for Spock?
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Definitely the case.
There's no doubt that Boma and others were disrespectful, but that wasn't the point of the episode nor was it to show how cool logic is superior to emotional gut reactions as Anji surmised.
Anji said:
IIRC, Spock's logical approach to command fails at almost every turn. They are saved when Spock makes an impulsive "chance in a million it can work" decision. Which is why I included the pertinent dialog from the episode in my original post.
I would say that in most episodes were Spock logical appproach to a problem came head to head with Kirk or McCoy's more "emotional" one, it was the latter that usally saved the day. Roddenberry was promoting the "human way" more so than the "Vulcan way".
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Actually, I never thought of it as an indictment of a "logical" approach to command as much as it was an indictment of Spock's failure as a leader. It's not his logic that's at fault; it's his assumption that the gargantuans would show respect to them once they demonstrated their superior weaponry.
I always point to this episode as to why Spock does not want command.
I always point to this episode as to why Spock does not want command.
It doesn't matter - since they started out calling the character "Mister" the producers and writers weren't going to change that just to satisfy military practice.
This.
I would beg to differ. Assumptions such as Spock's have no basis in logic. It's not logic that's the problem. It's Spock's assumption that is.
It might be important to note that Spock himself would usually self identify as "Mister Spock." And after that more often
by his position of first officer or science officer than as commander, he would only use his rank on fairly formal occasions. But it was the same with McCoy as doctor before lieutenant commander. And Scott himself was engineer before his rank.
Uhura was pretty much split between lieutenant and "Miss."
Chekov would often refer to Sulu, his rank superior, as mister.
by his position of first officer or science officer than as commander, he would only use his rank on fairly formal occasions. But it was the same with McCoy as doctor before lieutenant commander. And Scott himself was engineer before his rank.
Uhura was pretty much split between lieutenant and "Miss."
Chekov would often refer to Sulu, his rank superior, as mister.
Its a logical assumption. Superior technology will garner respect from primitives. More importantly, Spock believes it was logical and thats really all that matters since his decisions and thought process are whats being dicussed.
Galileo Seven said:
"Mister Spock" is also more pleasing to the ear than "Commander Spock." Most writers tend to differ to what is easier to say and more aural appealing than to the rigors of parlance or jargon.
The whole point to the Galileo Seven was to put Spock in a compromising position where logic failed and emotion must take over. Spock is forced into decisions that require an emotional response as well as a logical deduction.
That is a theme that continuously follows Spock throughout the show and something he eventually overcomes by Star Trek VI ("Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end"). I do not view The Galileo Seven as an episode where everyone was out to beat up Spock.
That episode goes to Patterns of Force.
That is a theme that continuously follows Spock throughout the show and something he eventually overcomes by Star Trek VI ("Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end"). I do not view The Galileo Seven as an episode where everyone was out to beat up Spock.
That episode goes to Patterns of Force.
Justin...love your current avatar. I'm a big Howard McNear fan because of his work as Doc on the radio series of Gunsmoke.
I'm not sure that that's a logical assumption at all. An assumption, yes. Logical? Not really, no.
I do think it's a fairly logical assumption. A child that touches a hot stove usually won't do it a second time.
Perhaps, but that all went out the window with TWOK when they killed him off.
They didn't get "burned." They were shown beams of light. The natives might not be impressed at all. Heck, they might have been had Spock chosen to actually shoot one of the big guys, but that wasn't the case.
Damn! Now I'm going to have to 'waste' fifty-one minutes re-watching The Galileo Seven.
Actually, iirc, one of the other guards in a shot prior to the scene where Spock tried to engender some "respect" may have indeed shot one of the aliens and it only made them angrier.
Starfleet is based on naval military traditions.
In the navy, male junior officers are addressed as Mister xxx.
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