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I'm pretty sure they specifically said he's Uther's brother.
He needs to find some wood to service Arthur?
Yeah, he has to, since Arthur doesn't know how to get wood on his own.
Agrovain said to Arthur "I made a promise to your mother, I'd always be there for you."
I assumed that meant that he was a maternal uncle, otherwise he would have had a strong claim to the throne when Uthur went bashit.
http://merlin.wikia.com/wiki/Agravaine
Agrovaine could have been in Camelot as recently as 5 minutes before the show started "3" years ago... So when did he start sleeping with Morganna?
It was common back then for men to marry preteens, especially if they were rich, even if by modern standards it's all rapey even though there were probably definitely no statutes of consent in the 6th century.
I assumed that meant that he was a maternal uncle, otherwise he would have had a strong claim to the throne when Uthur went bashit.
http://merlin.wikia.com/wiki/Agravaine
Agrovaine could have been in Camelot as recently as 5 minutes before the show started "3" years ago... So when did he start sleeping with Morganna?
It was common back then for men to marry preteens, especially if they were rich, even if by modern standards it's all rapey even though there were probably definitely no statutes of consent in the 6th century.
In the literature he's a nephew. As Guy noted above it is implied that he is Ygrain's brother, so now he's Arthur's maternal uncle here. The show has made a lot of similar changes. Morgana is a bit older than Arthur in the lit and really is the daughter of Garlois and Ygraine rather than Uther. Uther would have been long dead by this time and quite a lot else is different in time lines for characters. And Merlin would be a lot older than the lot of them. All that aside, the show has been a fun retelling of Arthurian legend. I was hoping with Morgause running around that they would use Morgana as a more ambiguous character as she is in the older literature rather than the straight up villain which is the function she has in later literature.
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I presume by 'literature' you're talking about Malory? Since he just wrote down a bunch of old lays* I'd say any play on the themes is fair game. Since the Wicked Uncle is indeed an uncle in this variation, calling him a nephew is spurious.
*no, not those ones. Dirty boy.
*no, not those ones. Dirty boy.
Lets face it, there's so many different variations on the tale it doesn't really matter at this point. Just enjoy what it is.
Not just him, the stories and characters have had a lot of variation. Morgana's character is a somewhat minor character in the earlier works such as Cretien de Troyes where she is not a villain but a healer and helper of Arthur and the knights. I was happy to see Morgause show up as I hoped they'd go to the earlier interpretations of Morgana's story when it was Morgause and Guinevere who stir up trouble much more than Morgana. As to Agrovain, I thought it was clear I meant a nephew in the literature, not in the show where he's an uncle, but that their characterization was basically the same in both. Sorry if the earlier post was confusing.
Yeah, I get that he's based on a character from the myths, but do we really need an evil adviser? Maybe that wasn't cliche 1,000 years ago, but it's a pretty laughable character archetype these days.
They could have at least done wardrobe differently and gotten a different performance from the actor that didn't signal 'TRAITOR HERE'. How many times can they fall for this.
And slimming
Maybe he hasn't totally sworn his allegiance to evil but instead is hedging his bets by backing both sides to a point.
Remember Rene Artois from 'Allo 'Allo?
"If the Germans win the War, Hitler will give us medals and resistance will line us up for a firing squad, meanwhile if the English win the war, the Resistance will give us medals and the Germans will have us executed! It's too late for us Edith, we're on everyone's side!"
In all likely hood, he wants Morganna and Arthur to kill each other so that he can pick up the kingdom after it's all finished, more so than he has plans to take on a child bride powerful enough to henpeck him into an early grave.
In short.
He's on his side.
You have to remember.
Arthur killed his mother on the way out.
That sort of shit is not going to earn much loyalty from her brother.
Remember Rene Artois from 'Allo 'Allo?
"If the Germans win the War, Hitler will give us medals and resistance will line us up for a firing squad, meanwhile if the English win the war, the Resistance will give us medals and the Germans will have us executed! It's too late for us Edith, we're on everyone's side!"
In all likely hood, he wants Morganna and Arthur to kill each other so that he can pick up the kingdom after it's all finished, more so than he has plans to take on a child bride powerful enough to henpeck him into an early grave.
In short.
He's on his side.
You have to remember.
Arthur killed his mother on the way out.
That sort of shit is not going to earn much loyalty from her brother.
And, assuming he is a maternal uncle, which sounds likely from his comment about a promise to Arthur's mother, he may be working from loyalty to the family. Morgause dead, Garlois and Ygraine dead, he may want someone with more attachment to the matrilineal line than the patriarchal Utherian/Pendragon line. He could want Uther's line disposed of (and he might not know Morgana is Uther's daughter- or may not care.)
doubt it.
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