There actually was a deleted scene where it was made clear that Sybok's therapy didn't work on Spock because he had already resolved the "pain" of his half-human-half-Vulcan nature by himself in the previous film.
No love for Star Trek V?
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Let's substitute "out of a job" or something, shall we?
Food stamps carry too much of an unfair stigma, these days.
Some of us don't want to be on them, but the old 'able-body' just ain't any more....
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But that's celebrity for you: one day, you're a star, the next? You're in a rubbish heap!
"... NEXT!!!"
But that's celebrity for you: one day, you're a star, the next? You're in a rubbish heap!
"... NEXT!!!"
I never understood these kinds of complaints. It's preferable to go through 80 episodes and 6 movies without learning anything NEW about the main characters? Why do we feel that way? I always loved learning new things about the characters and actually having them developed in the 6 movies (including, BTW, the son that we never knew Kirk had, that nobody seems to complain about).
I love the movie, but at the same time I can respect the folks on the other side. Even I find the humor in this, so here ya go:
To be fair, we all know Kirk was a Cosmic Casanova. So it wasn't a big surprise that he might have "gotten one past the goalie", as it were.
It's not that we didn't know about it, it's that there was never any hint that he ever had any concealed pain. It wasn't even hinted at during this movie until Sybok discovered it. Kirk's son appearing out of nowhere wasn't out of character because he'd been established as a character who'd fall in love and when he moved on, wouldn't look back. So unless Carol had told him, he wasn't the sort of person to look her up, realise she had a son, and calculate that he was old enough to have been born about the time of their relationship. The revelation about McCoy just didn't ring true (for me) to the character that had been established. Although I can accept that others might like that development.
I've got no objection to learning new things about the character, something which unfortunately didn't happen much in TOS or the TOS movies (Kirk and Spock being the notable exceptions). Sulu's development via promotion to captain was unfortunately cut out of TWOK and not hinted at again until TUC which was a shame. I just like the development to feel like a natural progression of the character, not something completely out of the blue for a specific plot point and never mentioned again.
Sometimes an opinion on something like that can change, for what may turn out to be very personal reasons. You never know.
I never liked that part in the movie. Then the day came when my elderly father, whom I was very close to, started coughing up brown blood. I rushed him to the hospital. They couldn't find anything in the initial examination, but were going to do more. He begged me to just take him home. I gave in. That was on a Tuesday. On Sunday, he passed away. Peacefully, in his own home as he had always wanted, and with me at his side.
But something like that is a hell of a quandary. Not exactly like McCoy's situation, but it sure made me appreciate that scene.
You have my deepest sympathy. I can see how experiencing that would make you view that scene differently.
And while I'm not a fan of what was revealed in that scene for McCoy, I have to admit that Deforrest Kelley acted the hell out of that scene and made it an extremely emotional viewing experience.
Thanks.
Dee did a hell of a job. Bill Quinn, who played his father, didn't have a lot of screen time but was spot-on as well.
It's actually very difficult for me to watch that scene now.
It was almost like foreshadowing....
Thanks for sharing...this story adds to what was already one of my favorite scenes in the entire franchise.
On the lighter side, one of my favorite scenes is Kirk and the Corvette in Star Trek '09 because when my wife was 12 she stole a minivan and drove from Youngstown, OH to Pittsburgh, PA, to see The Hooters in concert! The van belonged to her friend's parents. Her friend was wheelchair-bound, but really wanted to go....so off they went.
The cops didn't proffer any charges. There was no harm done. And I think they were probably quite amused!
I just wish that the McCoy euthanasia scene gave us some idea of when it was supposed to take place. Did it happen when McCoy was in med school? In his thirties? During the five-year-mission on the Enterprise? Between TOS and TMP? Somewhere in the movie era? Hell, last week?
It's damned annoying when you're trying to create a Star Trek timeline and the movie doesn't give you any idea of when to place such a significant event in a character's life.
It's damned annoying when you're trying to create a Star Trek timeline and the movie doesn't give you any idea of when to place such a significant event in a character's life.
I don't think this is proof, but In Crucible: McCoy, by David R. George, McCoy tells someone that his father lived 25 years after his mother's death, and his mother died in childbirth. Hence, McCoy would be 25, and I assume that puts him in med-school.
However, there is no certainty he is telling the exact truth because of the details of the story. Also, you would have to accept this book as a valid part of the Star Trek canon, which I do personally, but maybe others don't.
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I thought the episode "I, Mudd" interestingly did a quite better job than TFF of mixing comedy with drama and, in a brief but well-done scene or few, exploring the idea that many members of the crew could betray Kirk and Starfleet, at least be strongly tempted by the idea.
Captain Kirk even falls off the edge of a cliff with confidence! Look at that shite ... just look at that. He knows no fear.
This show couldn't be more of a throwback, it's so retro, but it's called "This is Your Life" and it features not just Shatner, but the whole Shatner clan. I mean, his (then-)wife Marcie is there, his 3 kids, buddies from his cop show and Nimoy even pays tribute. I mention it here, because it brings up STAR TREK V: The Final Frontier as his latest outing as The Good Captain, as Shatner beams with pride at what he's done ...
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