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Niners Unite...around Babylon 5!

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Station Report, March 2258. Commander Jeffrey Sinclair Reporting.

FLAG: URGENT

We recently learned of and prevented a Home Guard mass assasination attempt here on Babylon 5. They had planned to kill all the alien ambassadors present on the station, and then escape in the ensuing chaos. Fortunately, my security forces and I were able to infiltrate and stop them. I wish to recommend my first officer, Susan Ivanova, for commendation during this action.

The urgency of this report is with regards to alien ambassadors on Earth. The Home Guard operative we arrested said that a similar mass assasination was planned there. I recommend steps be taken to ensure their safety, and I am transmitting this recommendation directly to the alien embassys as well. It is possible the Home Guard agents may have access to prototype camoflage suits; they did here.

The Minbari poet Shal Mayan was one of those attacked by Home Guard, and her visit to Earth has been delayed as a result. She is nearly full recovery, and expects to resume her tour as scheduled.

End Report
Jeffrey Sinclair, Commanding Officer Babylon 5
 
Midnight on the Firing Line

Second intro into the series and even better than The Gathering .Seeing Delenn again what a refreshing change from earlier .The setting up of the political world of B5 s like the Londo/G'Kar feud that would last the entire series perfectly done by both actors. Thw only down part of the ep is Londo's nephew and him being taken prisoner and Londo's reaction to the Narn attack on Raghesh 3 the scene might have been better played had we actually seen some part of the invasion rather than is being off screen. of course an Earth election a tiny subplot about the election of Santiago a piece of background info thrown in helped me get a view of the world of B5 in.Grade A

Soul Hunter
This one is a personal favorite of mine more insight into the minbari beliefs here and her conviction in what the Soul Hunter does by capturing the souls of the dying is wrong and standing up so it would seem for her own religious beliefs .Grade B


Born to the Purple

This is your typical boy meets girl boy falls in love with girl and girl needs rescuing.Except that boy is a middle age drunk , slightly overweight Ambassador who falls for the dancing slave Adira.The good part is that it shows us another side to the bombastic Londo seen in Midnight to someone who can fall in love and be loved in return.Touching that she gave back his brooch showing she had feelings for him and all the more sad really for what happens to Adira later. Susan's father dying on Earth was good and well done but it also seemed like it was played for emotion for the character all in all Grade B.

Infection
Ah geez, man who gets possed by an alien artifact and goes rampaging through the station .The good part is the tag about the coming of the Homeguard in later episodes.In all big yawn gets a grade of a D.


EDIT I forgot the Gathering even though I mentioned it :rolleyes: I will post my review later after I watch Parliament and the others .
 
Hi all! Sorry if this is a bit rushed - like I said, hectic week! - but glad you liked the Photoshopping! I may try and make that a weekly thing, if I can get enough inspiration for it! :D

Parliament of Dreams

OK ... Let me say, first, that the three episodes we watched this week have completely convinced me that B5 is worth sticking with. I loved them, because they all had so much potential.

Parliament of Dreams was, to start off with, a cool premise. Aliens sharing their religious practices with each other, in order to create greater understanding - and the continual undercurrent of diplomacy and race relations involved - it just felt right for the station. I have noticed both the Minbari and Centauri celebrations in the opening credits montage before, and thought they looked interesting. It was also nice to see that, just like newspapers made of actual paper, our current religious diversity on Earth has endured into the B5 universe.

Moreover, the contrast between the Centauri and the Minbari was hilarious: I really am getting that whole slightly medieval vibe from the Centauri, with their banquets and lust for life. Londo was brilliant, too - you guys have quoted his best lines, so I won't do it again, but I was laughing out loud while watching that scene. The Minbari celebration perplexed me quite a bit more, I have to say - it seemed completely in character with their much more solemn culture, but the whole deal with it being a "marriage ceremony" (especially considering the long exchange of looks between Delenn and Sinclair) was a confusing little detail.

And, the G'Kar plotline was pure joy. I kid you not when I say I have had his little ditty stuck in my head all week. I'm really impressed with Andreas Katsulas' acting - he can change tones very deftly, from smooth to menacing to blustery to sleazy. The "pink panties" scene was just too brilliant. :lol: Am also pleased to finally meet Na'Toth - she certainly had a good first episode!

The worst thing about this episode was Catherine Sakei. I can't pinpoint why, but she annoys me. It was nice to see a more personal side to Sinclair and the shipper in me can't help but rejoice, but I think the dialogue could have been much better in some scenes.

Mind War

This episode was slightly cheesier than Parliament of Dreams, but to some extent, the whole "telepath" thing is hard to pull off. Someone above mentioned the scene where they scan Talia, and yep - that was a pretty good example. I thought Walter Koenig was fantastic as Bester, and I'm glad to hear he'll be back again, but I wasn't sorry to see that other girl get zapped. Her acting was TERRIBLE!

I was actually quite impressed by Talia in this episode ... again, am not sure why, but she just felt more real to me. I did love that scene in the monorail (partly because I heart the whole idea of a B5 monorail! :D) ... the whole Jason Ironheart plotline was moving on a personal level and intriguing in terms of the series' future. Certainly, I am REALLY intrigued by the idea - mentioned already in Infection - that autonomous or semi-autonomous corporations are beginning to lay down the law over the government itself.

As for the Sigma 957 plot ... again, Sakei was irritatingly predictable. But I liked the way the A and B plots dovetailed in the end: when Ironheart becomes a higher power and Sakei briefly encounters another one. The scene with G'Kar and the ant was again brilliantly carried off by Katsulas, despite initially seeming like an obvious analogy.

There's only one thing I'm confused about ... if the whole Psi Corp idea was to create a stable telepath, and the process they used turned Ironheart not only into a telepath but eventually into this non-corporeal being ... if "we were never meant to have this power" and can't harness it ... why does he give it to Talia? Presumably, he gave her a much reduced version of it? But why further propagate something he himself considered dangerous?

The War Prayer:

Again, the biggest virtue of this episode is that it opens up so many possibilities and hints at a world far bigger than just one narrative. The whole "Pro Earth" movement is a great theme, and one that never stops being relevant: it's in the great tradition of sci-fi themes that are analogous to contemprary life. From the beginning, we are introduced to Shaal Mayan as a poet and revered intellectual: not only is the attack on her cruel and barbarous in itself, but it's clearly shown to be setting back Earth's image and influence with the aliens, rather than the reverse. The Minbari already seem to have a slightly superior attitude to the humans - if anything is going to increase that, it's the Earthers living up to their stereotype.

As the human characters go, I think my favourite so far is Ivanova (though Sinclair comes a close second). In this episode, we get to see a different side of her, and what I liked most about her performance was its subtlety, somehow. It's not that Ivanova "softens" - it's that this other side of her personality co-exists with her all-business work ethic. When Malcolm (who really did look suspect from the start!) turns out to be a major agitator in the Pro-Earth movement, she takes it as an affront to her ideals, not just her emotions. Though I did find it slightly hard to believe that Malcolm and Susan had no idea about each others' beliefs - if he HAD changed, surely he'd expect her to be surprised, and if he was like that all along, surely it would have been mentioned?

Incidentally, though it worked well for the narrative of the episode, I found Sinclair's pretense to be a bit transparent: in the Mary Ann Cramer episode, we heard how he's vocal about his beliefs. He evidently does believe in Babylon 5 as a "dream given form", as a place for diplomacy. Malcolm Biggs should have been a little more suspicious, methinks.

Finally, the Centauri plotline. Again, we get some more background on the Centauri culture, with their arranged marriages between powerful families. It's not a new idea, but it's carried off well, again, this time due to Jurasik's acting. "My shoes are too tight, and I have forgotten how to dance." Again, the A and B plots join up nicely, especially since it is an exchange between alien cultures (Shaal Mayan's words) that causes Londo's change of heart.

And, since I've decided to adopt G'Kar as my "character to follow" (is that OK?) ... he has a small but noticeable role in this episode. In sharp contrast to his last (comedic) role, this time he is the main agitator among the alien population of B5, dissatisfied about the slow pace of the investigation. One line in particular was interesting: G'Kar himself is largely concerned about the welfare of the Narns, instead of having an in-principle objection to the xenophobic attacks. Still, he makes a good figurehead for the other aliens to rally round.

~~~

Right ... Am off to bed! :D Night all ... hope the above made sense!
 
There's only one thing I'm confused about ... if the whole Psi Corp idea was to create a stable telepath, and the process they used turned Ironheart not only into a telepath but eventually into this non-corporeal being ... if "we were never meant to have this power" and can't harness it ... why does he give it to Talia? Presumably, he gave her a much reduced version of it? But why further propagate something he himself considered dangerous?

He gave her.....something. What, exactly, is not clear.

The purpose of that plot twist will become clear later, but only indirectly.
 
^^^^ Argh, I just noticed, I meant "telekinetic", not "telepath". She already IS a telepath! :scream: This is why I shouldn't post late at night ... :o

Thanks Lindley! :) Hoped it would come up at a later time in the series! I quite like the idea of the Talia character in general - professional telepaths used in business transactions, it's an interesting take on it all.
 
Really enjoyed reading that Llanita. Your feelings on the episodes, which are always consistently well thought out, are the highlight of this thread for me. It's wonderful to follow the series again with someone new to it. It makes me feel like I did the first time I watched it.

You've been much missed by us all this week. ;)

I reckon you should definately write for G'Kar, especially as you've become an instant fan of his.
 
Let's just say the concept of a "changed" telepath will indeed be important. Going into any more detail than that approaches spoiler territory.
 
Okay, I've finally gotten back on track with this. Better late than never, I suppose. ;)

The Parliament of Dreams

IMHO the first classic in the series. One of the many things I love about this show is those episodes where the events flow so naturally it's almost as though they're really happening. This is the first of those episodes, but it's certainly not the last.

Garibaldi really irritates me at times. Security goon or not, he can be incredibly intolerant and close-minded.

One of my favourite G'Kar episodes. Singing. :D Na'Toth's debut – wonderful character, <span class="spoiler"><font class="small">Spoiler:</font><hr /><span>at least in this incarnation</span><hr /></span>. The whole assassination plot just fascinates me – an indication of how divided the Narn are, even though they should be anything but. The lines quoted in Blade Runner's sig are priceless, as is my other favourite line from the episode – I used it as a sig for a while: "Ambassador, it is not my place to speculate on how anything gets into your bed." :guffaw: I love it. :guffaw:

The blast from Sinclair's past was interesting...but like the nonsense in "The Gathering" where Lyta knew nothing about the previous Babylon stations, it's hard to believe Sakai didn't know Sinclair was in charge of the station until she got there. Just how far out of the loop are these people, and how is it even possible? Like any relationship in this series it's depicted in a mature and believable way that leaves Trek's handling of such matters for dead.

The Centauri religious ceremony – hysterical. Wonderful stuff, and the lines Vash quoted earlier crack me up every time.

Lennier. :D Yet another character who undergoes a fascinating and unexpected journey. Furlan and Mumy always worked wonderfully together, right from the beginning. There's another demonstration of Delenn's strength, albeit a rather different one to that seen in "The Gathering". The Minbari religious ceremony is utterly intriguing – "so it begins" indeed. :D

Another of the show's strengths: The mature attitude JMS took toward religion. I always appreciated that. Like Roddenberry, JMS is an atheist. Unlike Roddenberry, he has an open mind, and it showed in the way religion and faith was depicted in the series. The closing sequence is simply brilliant – so simple, yet it works magnificently. Kudos to Michael O'Hare for rattling off all those names within moments of learning them.

On the whole, a fantastic episode.
 
Posted by SB:The blast from Sinclair's past was interesting...but like the nonsense in "The Gathering" where Lyta knew nothing about the previous Babylon stations, it's hard to believe Sakai didn't know Sinclair was in charge of the station until she got there.

I have to disagree with this, based on the logic shown within the series. What I'm going to say is general knowledge, so it shouldn't be considered spoiling, but I'll use the code anyway.

<span class="spoiler"><font class="small">Spoiler:</font><hr /><span>In The Gathering, Lyta doesn't appear to know the history of the Babylon stations. Of course, why would she know it? As we find out later in the series, most telepaths are taken as soon as they start demonstrating teep abilities, and are raised by the Corps. The Corps is Mother. The Corps is Father.

Telepaths are sheltered, and closely monitored. Even far away on the station, she doesn't have much freedom. Who is to say just how much anyone studies things outside of training their own abilities to maximize potential? Sure, some commercial teeps will be out there, but most telepaths are at one of the Corps' facilities.</span><hr /></span>

Now, onto the Sakai issue ... She doesn't seem to know who is in command of the station. Again, I ask ... Why would she? She's out there on the Rim, surveying planets. She goes where she's assigned, alone in her ship. She hasn't seen Jeff in 2 years, and was still under the impression he was seeing Carolyn.

The Commander of B5 is like a mayor or military governor, of a city of 250,000 people.

Think of it like this ... You're flying into Milwaukee to have a business meeting with clients (or a family reunion, whatever), and will only be there for a day or two, then you'll fly out to Chicago. Do you take the time to find out who the mayor of Milwaukee is? Most people, I think, would say no. Same thing here ... Unless there's a reason to know who the station's commander is, Sakai isn't going to check, cuz she doesn't care.

As a pilot, she's going to be going out there from one place to the next, and she isn't going to care who the commander of B5 is any more than the commander of Io, or any of the other stations she may visit, in Human or Alien space.

Because it doesn't affect her. See what I mean?
 
This week has been rather crazy for me, so I'm late... again ;)
I haven't even watched The War Prayer yet!

Anyway, seems like all important things about those episodes have already been said :)

I love Parliament of Dreams. <span class="spoiler"><font class="small">Spoiler:</font><hr /><span>G'Kar saying "I would die before giving you that satisfaction" when Tu'Pari urges him to cry out - very interesting parallel to a later episode.</span><hr /></span>

War Prayer: Bester! Finally! :D

Posted by Blade Runner:
Really enjoyed reading that Llanita. Your feelings on the episodes, which are always consistently well thought out, are the highlight of this thread for me.
Totally agreed!
 
Yeah, I'm way behind aswell. I've just been fairly busy lately. I'll get around to watching a few eps this weekend though.
 
The Gathering

Seeing Delenn for the first time was a shock talk about ugly but the storyline was what reeled me in and MOH brought a certain style,finesse and a military personna to the character that made it believeable also more than a few hints about plotlines that would continue through out the series .G'Kar tells Lyta that are no Narn teeps and the centauri occupation of the Narn Homeworld and the two's visable hate for each other all give the first time viewer a good introduction to the world.I was amazed at how much background info was in the pilot that would of course continue throughout the series to it's end.
 
Question: Are we trying to keep this Niners-only, or would it be all right to mention this thread in SF/F, just to make sure everyone interested in participating knows about it?
 
Posted by Lindley:
Question: Are we trying to keep this Niners-only, or would it be all right to mention this thread in SF/F, just to make sure everyone interested in participating knows about it?

Well, considering I'm a Fiver primarily, it sure seems inclusive rather than exclusive. Vash was pretty welcoming to me, after all, and how many posts have I contributed to in DS9 before this?

So yeah ... if they wanna join, let em ... They'll have a few episodes to catch up on, but as long as they at least like DS9, it shouldn't be a problem.

Now, if it's someone who likes B5 and is only coming in to bash DS9, then I'd say this project is not for them.

See what I mean?
 
The idea started as a way for a group of people in this forum who've gotten to know each other a bit to watch B5 "together" and share our thoughts and impressions. That's why the thread is here. ;)

Posted by OmahaStar:
Because it doesn't affect her. See what I mean?
Yes, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. It's neither here nor there, really, but I still find it rather difficult to believe.
 
Question: Are we trying to keep this Niners-only, or would it be all right to mention this thread in SF/F, just to make sure everyone interested in participating knows about it?


I knew about it already I am just slow and watching three eps a week is too much I have other things to do.So if nobody wants me to post here say so down below .
 
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