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Re: First time impressions from the Babylon 5 virgin

Mal said:
question: am i the only one who hates galen?????????
I didn't hate him, but I certainly found him annoying. Then I read the Technomage trilogy and my opinion of him improved considerably.

I haven't rewatched Crusade in years. It didn't impress me at all on first viewing, so I really ought to give it another go.
 
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The Legend Of The Rangers
This wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be. It had a good amount of problems, but I thought it was entertaining and it would have made a good series. Of the characters, the 2 I liked the best were David Martell and Dulann. Everyone else, I couldn't get a read on, aalthough all of them seemed fine. The Drazi, in particular, was funny. The ship itself being haunted was a cool idea, and I would've liked to see where that led. G'Kar's scenes were all excellent, as usual. The Hand were interesting, though they seem a little similar to the Shadows. The biggest problem with the pilot was the weapons system. While it would look like a great idea on paper, on screen it turned out corny and stupid. And near the end, where she's firing crazily at all these mines and she's laughing maniacally, how weird is that? In the first place, why would ships conceivably have this kind of system? Wouldn't a computer be more precise? Another problem was the amount of exposition. Being a pilot, this is to be expected so I can forgive them for that. In summation, this episode was ok, and I would have liked to see some more episodes along this storyline.
 
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Tom Riker said:
The Hand were interesting, though they seem a little similar to the Shadows.

the hand of god - GMAFB :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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Tom Riker said:
The Legend Of The Rangers
This wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be. It had a good amount of problems, but I thought it was entertaining and it would have made a good series. Of the characters, the 2 I liked the best were David Martell and Dulann. Everyone else, I couldn't get a read on, aalthough all of them seemed fine. The Drazi, in particular, was funny. The ship itself being haunted was a cool idea, and I would've liked to see where that led. G'Kar's scenes were all excellent, as usual. The Hand were interesting, though they seem a little similar to the Shadows. The biggest problem with the pilot was the weapons system. While it would look like a great idea on paper, on screen it turned out corny and stupid. And near the end, where she's firing crazily at all these mines and she's laughing maniacally, how weird is that? In the first place, why would ships conceivably have this kind of system? Wouldn't a computer be more precise? Another problem was the amount of exposition. Being a pilot, this is to be expected so I can forgive them for that. In summation, this episode was ok, and I would have liked to see some more episodes along this storyline.

Have you seen "Call to Arms" or started "Crusade" ?
 
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A Call To Arms
In my opinion, this is the best of all the B5 movies. Even better than In The Beginning. Even though In The Beginning was a great movie, most of the twists were not surprising, since we know lots of what happened by watching the episodes. A Call To Arms, on the other hand, had lots of mystery and intiguing plot threads that will know doubt be picked up on in Crusade. The SFX are better than anything on B5, and that makes the action scenes more realistic and entertaining. More up to the level of DS9. The Excalibur is a very cool ship. It was nice seeing some Sheridan and Garibaldi banter. Possibly for the last time (unless The Lost Tales has an episode with both of them in it.) Zack was hardly in any scenes, but it was great seeing him again. Same with Lochley, although from what I gather, she's in Crusade as well. Of the new characters, I like them both. Galen is nicely mysterious and the guy playing him seems to be a pretty good actor. Same with Dureena Nafeel. The music was refreshingly different. Although I prefer Chris Franke's scores, Evan Chen's score for this movie was a little creepy and good. I thought it suited it well. The whole premise of Crusade seems very interesting, it's unfortunate there's only 13 episodes as there probably won't be any satisfying answers.
 
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Tom Riker said:
A Call To Arms
In my opinion, this is the best of all the B5 movies. Even better than In The Beginning.

Really?!?!?!? I thought In the Beginning was by far the best. By far.

Tom Riker said:
Even though In The Beginning was a great movie, most of the twists were not surprising, since we know lots of what happened by watching the episodes.

but that's what made it great! YMMV.


Tom Riker said:
A Call To Arms, on the other hand, had lots of mystery and intiguing plot threads that will know doubt be picked up on in Crusade.

i don't know... it was too galen-centric, and i just don't like him.


Tom Riker said:
The SFX are better than anything on B5, and that makes the action scenes more realistic and entertaining.

really? more realistic and entertaining than standing with Londo during the bombing of Narn back to the stone age?


Tom Riker said:
More up to the level of DS9. The Excalibur is a very cool ship.

meh. i prefer Serenity.


Tom Riker said:
It was nice seeing some Sheridan and Garibaldi banter.

i'm going to take your word for that, since for the life of me i have no recall what they were talking about. something about sheridan being insane?


Tom Riker said:
Possibly for the last time (unless The Lost Tales has an episode with both of them in it.) Zack was hardly in any scenes, but it was great seeing him again. Same with Lochley, although from what I gather, she's in Crusade as well.

she is (barely), though she continues to be oh so fucking hot :drool:

Tom Riker said:
Of the new characters, I like them both. Galen is nicely mysterious and the guy playing him seems to be a pretty good actor. Same with Dureena Nafeel.

she's ok. buy Max made the show for me!

Tom Riker said:
The music was refreshingly different. Although I prefer Chris Franke's scores, Evan Chen's score for this movie was a little creepy and good. I thought it suited it well. The whole premise of Crusade seems very interesting, it's unfortunate there's only 13 episodes as there probably won't be any satisfying answers.

question for others: was crusade supposed to be some kind of Torchwood for Babylon 5? meaning, was it supposed to be more "adult"?

what's with all the porn? that shit was nasty
 
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Mal said:
question for others: was crusade supposed to be some kind of Torchwood for Babylon 5? meaning, was it supposed to be more "adult"?
It was supposed to be less arc-intensive and more adventure than political. I've never heard that it was supposed to be more 'adult' than B5.

what's with all the porn? that shit was nasty
Can you specify? Are you still talking about Crusade? I remember one scene between Gideon and Lochley when they still had an adrenaline buzz on but can't think of anything remotely porn.

Jan
 
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Maybe he's alluding to "River of Souls". ;)
 
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chrisspringob said:
There's also the thing with Max's porn in "The Needs of Earth".

That's right, I'd forgotten about that. But that was just for laughs. It's not as if we actually saw much of it.

Jan
 
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I had thought of that one, too but only after the "River of Souls" inclusion.

Mal, if you ever get a chacne to read the scripts from the unaired episodes, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.
 
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Mal said:
really? more realistic and entertaining than standing with Londo during the bombing of Narn back to the stone age?

Although the scene described above was very moving and entertaining, A Call To Arms' battle sequences had better SFX. I was speaking purely from an SFX standpoint, not a writing standpoint. The battles in A Call To Arms were more realistic (from an SFX point of view) than anything in B5 before it.
 
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If you feel that way, then I imagine The Lost Tales will impress you more given that they will have improved effects themselves.
 
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Neroon said:
If you feel that way, then I imagine The Lost Tales will impress you more given that they will have improved effects themselves.

I'll take B5's effects over Legend of the Rangers' story-lines any day.

but i'm not against 'sposions per se. just not at the risk of creating McScifi.
 
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Well, at the risk of being so last year, I've finished viewing Babylon 5's fifth season (including Sleeping in Light--I just couldn't stop after Objects at Rest). So, here are the reviews and comments I wrote at the time, while the episodes were ongoing, so there are surely a fair amount of questions and comments that have already been answered. I'm pretty much just too lazy to go back and edit them. :p

“The Corp is Mother, The Corp is Father”

An inside look at the Psi Corp, through the eyes of Bester. I’ve never been able to truly hate Bester, as others seem to. He’s capable of evil things, yes, and even done them, but he’s never been truly evil. When he’s written best, he’s a human being. You see that very plainly in this episode. I really like the further glimpses into Bester that we get here. The scene in his apartment, out of uniform, is a great character moment. The scene with Zack (the first regular to appear in the episode—and not until the 22 minute mark at that) shows us a typical Bester-Babylon 5 character confrontation, but with a twist. This time, we’re in Bester’s shoes. It’s odd, even after all he’s done, we still empathize for Bester here. Zack even seems a little bigoted. It’s a good thing, too, because the telepath-normal conflict often slips into too much of a black and white conflict. I’m rambling a bit, so I’ll just make a few more comments. I love the blink and you’ll miss it changes to the main titles. The title change is a nice touch, but I really like the credit change at the end. I think if JMS hadn’t put his name on the side of the station I’d like the opening a lot more. Then there’s the matter of the telepath war, which is coming. We get a glimpse into the Psi Corp’s fleet strength we haven’t seen before this episode, and I wonder just how the mundanes will have any chance against them. No doubt some kind of split within will be the telepath’s undoing. I hope we get to see that story, though, anyway in the future. This episode doesn’t really feel like a farewell to Bester, but the beginning of something new. If we don’t ever see that, it’ll be a shame. Suffice it to say, this is my favorite standalone of the season.

“Meditation on the Abyss”
Mike Vejar directs, and offers his usual visual flair. The shadows in the scene between Delenn and Lennier are beautiful. And McBari’s… :lol: Vir is becoming the new Centauri ambassador… it really is the beginning of the end for Babylon 5. Thankfully, it’s made a full return to form in the final stretch—almost erasing the memory of the telepath arc. The new Minbari fighters (at least I think they’re new) are cool, but somewhat limited by the CGI technology of the time. I hope they show up in the Lost Tales— they’re pretty cool looking. It’s nice to see Franklin mentioning his belief in foundation. “What happened to Vir?” “I promoted him.” :lol: A nice episode, with a good counterpoint between the darkness and the light. And Garibaldi has slipped back to alcoholism. Where is that woman of his to whip him back into shape?

“Darkness Ascending”
Lise finally shows up, and not a moment too soon. Garibaldi is getting worse. And I wonder if Lyta was actually in his room or not. Her character is definitely heading down a dark path. And look how fast it took her to get a deal for a homeworld. It’s like Byron, in a quarter of the episodes and with even less of the painful monologues. There are some nice moments of continuity when Garibaldi and Lise eat in the Fresh Air Restaurant concerning Sakai—she disappeared over a year ago. Right around the time Sinclair became Valen. Is that dealt with in the comics or the books? It’s one of those dangling threads that I wish would have been answered in War Without End or before. And it makes me wonder if Sakai would have been the one to disappear at Zh’ha’dum only to reappear instead of Anne Sheridan in season three had Sinclair stuck around. And is this Lennier’s betrayal as Morden described in Day of the Dead, or is that coming later? And Lochley sure has been gone for a while.

“All My Dreams, Torn Asunder”
There is some great directorial flair in the opening of this episode. The drop of the shoe with the sound of the gavel, the sound of Sheridan speaking at the meeting while he holds Delenn in his quarters, and Delenn’s flame all work together very well. Londo hears the evidence, and finally sees what has been happening behind his back. This will not end well. Will Londo truly never return to Babylon 5? And G’Kar is heading to Centauri Prime with Londo—he has truly undergone a great transformation over the course of the series. And Garibaldi isn’t looking too good. That can’t go well. He really takes some shots at Zack, too. Have we ever learned Zack’s full past? There’s always talk about him being a screw-up before B5, but do we actually know what happened? One thing is for sure with all of this--things are going to get worse before they get better. Sheridan sure conveyed that—you want a war, well you’ve got a war!!!
 
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“Moments of Fire and Shadow”
The saga continues. This is really all one big story, so I doubt I’ll have a lot to say between now and the end. Suffice it to say, I’m pretty happy with season five. Those who told me to wait it out while Byron babbled on were right—season five does get better. A lot better. Lochley finally reappears here—her character really has gotten the short end of the stick this year. Budget cuts, I guess. Was Londo really implanted with a keeper, or was that all a premonition as to what will happen later? Lyta is continuing her changed ways—asking Vir for half a million credits for work Stephen does out of friendship? And the Narns and Drazi strike a pact to attack the Centauri Homeworld. And Delenn is attacked on course to Minbari. Unfortunately, there isn’t any real drama there, since we saw her in Deconstruction of Falling Stars well over a hundred years old. At least Lyta and Franklin have discovered the truth about the Centauri’s attacks—but is it too late?

“The Fall of Centauri Prime”
So many things happened in the last episode that they had to have a re-cap for only the third time in the course of the series (IIRC—A Voice in the Darkness, II and War Without End, II had them). So Centauri Prime is finally in flames as I saw back in In the Beginning. And the White Stars were so close to stopping it, too. And it looks like Mollari hasn’t gotten a Keeper until this point. I guess that was inevitable. I do wonder why one was placed on Captain Jack though, back in season four. What did the Drakh have to do with that? His final meeting with G’Kar is a very sad one, considering how they will die. There is talk of an alien story with Londo in the Lost Tales—I don’t know how I feel about that. His story is so tragic, and without G’Kar to take part in it, I don’t know if I want to see more. And Lennier finally tells Delenn he loves her, though she doesn’t really hear.

“The Wheel of Fire”
What is there left to do after last episode? It seems like all that is left is to say good-bye to our characters. I’m sure I’ll be proven wrong as these next few episodes progress. Garibaldi is forced to deal with his alcoholism—and they finally mention Stephen went through something similar a couple of years previous. Lochley helps him, and we finally realize what her experience in Day of the Dead was all about. And Lise is back, to dry him out for good I hope. G’Kar deals with what is practically sainthood—and it would be a great moment instead of a good one if there was a budget for more extras. I wonder how much this show cost per episode—certainly a fraction of what Star Trek, Farscape, Stargate, or BSG cost no doubt. The Psi Corp problem continues. And Lyta is involved. I doubt her life will end well anymore. This deal she’s struck with Garibaldi looks like foreshadowing for a season we won’t ever see. The Telepath War better happen in the Lost Tales or a movie. Delenn is pregnant, so there’s some good news, at least, though not entirely unexpected given some of the future we’ve seen.

This is the last episode I’ll watch tonight. Later this week, I’ll watch the last trilogy of episodes. Then I’ll be ready for a second viewing of Sleeping in Light, with all your comments. Then, I’ll begin re-watching the series, and this time I’ll throw in “Thirdspace, “River of Souls,” “Legend of the Rangers,” “Call to Arms,” and “Crusade.” Around that time, “The Lost Tales Vol. 1” should be released. I can’t wait.
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“Objects in Motion”
Number One returns from Mars, and we learn her name. Awfully convenient that Stephen was right there ;). And bringing cheery news of impending murder against Mr. and Mrs. Garibaldi, no less. Earth can’t seem to let Mars go—will that be resolved in this final trilogy, or be continued elsewhere? G’Kar and Lyta leave the station for what appears to be the final time. I used to care for Lyta, but she’s gone down a dark path lately, and I don’t know if I care about her anymore. Number One being named Garibaldi’s replacement was a wonderful moment though. I didn’t see that coming at all. And Garibaldi leaves the station one last time. He’s been here since the beginning, and even though I know he’ll be back, it will never be the same again.

“Objects at Rest”
Every one is moving on. Franklin is headed to Earth, Sheridan and Delenn are headed to Minbar. Lennier is headed out on his own, after betraying Sheridan. Londo returns one last time, in a moment of foreboding and a moment of sadness. G’Kar bids Tannier, and us, farewell. It’s very sad knowing that Andreas Katsulas is no longer with us watching these scenes. I know there is a bit more of him waiting in the movies I have not yet seen, but it still is a closing of a chapter here. And it is very, very sad moment.

“Sleeping in Light”
The end is here. An epilogue to the series, there is no action here, just characters and emotion. I’m pretty much without words. I thought I would be mad about the documentary reveal, but it was perfect. I teared up at the end when Sheridan moved on. But I won’t use up any more space here to talk about it. The live commentary still waits, and hopefully, I’ll be able to watch Sleeping in Light without crying like a baby that time. I doubt it, though—Sleeping in Light is a beautiful, poignant ending to a series that has had its ups and downs, but went out, in its final stretch, at the top of its game. And I couldn’t have asked for anything more than that.
 
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I can still remember that first time watching "Sleeping In Light", when I literally just woke up in time to see the sun rise the next morning. Hadn't planned it. Didn't expect it.

But I sure enjoyed it!

Did we settle on a date and time for the commentary viewing?
 
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^^
I heard from Mal that "the last week in March" would be a good time. Wednesday or Thursday night would work best for me, but I can be flexible.
 
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Hirogen Alpha said:
^^
I heard from Mal that "the last week in March" would be a good time. Wednesday or Thursday night would work best for me, but I can be flexible.

Wednesday would be better for me.
 
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