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Night

Dane_Whitman

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I always liked the season 5 premiere, but when I rewatched it again yesterday I realised I REALLY like this episode. Every now and then Voyager would do an episode that made excellent use of its premise, and for a moment it would show some shades of the great show it could have been. I'm talking episodes such as Prime Factors, Year of Hell and The Void.

Night is also such an episode. Forget for a moment that Chakotay talks about spending two years crossing the void as if it's no problem that they're most likely NOT gonna be able to pick up ANY supplies, while they're desperately looking for supplies in episodes such as Fair Trade and Demon. Or that they're firing photon torpedoes as if replacement torpedoes grow in the aeroponics bay. Other than that, this episode is wonderful and serves as a prime example of the kind of Star Trek: Voyager I wanted to see. Characters are having to deal with the misery of the situation. The crew morale officer gets a bad case of nihilophobia, the holodeck becomes the antidote to boredom, and one memorable scene shows Harry Kim on the deserted bridge, casually lounging in the captains chair while playing his clarinet.

Another thing, this episode forever changed my opinion of Janeway as a commanding officer. One the one hand, locking herself up in her quarters and letting Chuckles run the ship is unforgiveable. I know we haven't seen the other Captains in a long-term situation such as Janeway's, but somehow I just can't picture Kirk, Picard or Sisko abandoning the crew like that. Even Archer showed more balls in the Xindi arc, a mission where stakes were a lot higher. Ultimately the morale of a starship's crew is determined from above, the captain. In Night, Janeway royally gave her crew the finger to the point where the senior staff were openly expressing their disapproval about it.

On the other hand, this episode dares to take some risk in showing such a glaring imperfection in the captain. Like many sudden character crisises required for a single episode (think Extreme Risk), Janeway's depression suffers from a lack of buildup, and while it did make me lose some respect for her, it also felt completely realistic and believable.

This episode goes well with the season 4 finale, Hope and Fear. Both episodes are about consequences. In Hope and Fear we have Arturis, whose people probably would not have been assimilated by the Borg had Janeway not eliminated the 8472 threat. Here, Janeway chooses to deal (or rather:allows herself to become depressed) with the consequences of her decision that stranded the crew in the DQ. Yeah, sure, everything was neat and resolved by the end of the episode, but that's Voyager for ya and I still appreciate the effort even if these issues were not explored nearly enough.
 
Another thing, this episode forever changed my opinion of Janeway as a commanding officer. One the one hand, locking herself up in her quarters and letting Chuckles run the ship is unforgiveable. I know we haven't seen the other Captains in a long-term situation such as Janeway's, but somehow I just can't picture Kirk, Picard or Sisko abandoning the crew like that. Even Archer showed more balls in the Xindi arc, a mission where stakes were a lot higher. Ultimately the morale of a starship's crew is determined from above, the captain. In Night, Janeway royally gave her crew the finger to the point where the senior staff were openly expressing their disapproval about it.

On the other hand, this episode dares to take some risk in showing such a glaring imperfection in the captain. Like many sudden character crisises required for a single episode (think Extreme Risk), Janeway's depression suffers from a lack of buildup, and while it did make me lose some respect for her, it also felt completely realistic and believable.

This episode goes well with the season 4 finale, Hope and Fear. Both episodes are about consequences. In Hope and Fear we have Arturis, whose people probably would not have been assimilated by the Borg had Janeway not eliminated the 8472 threat. Here, Janeway chooses to deal (or rather:allows herself to become depressed) with the consequences of her decision that stranded the crew in the DQ. Yeah, sure, everything was neat and resolved by the end of the episode, but that's Voyager for ya and I still appreciate the effort even if these issues were not explored nearly enough.

I've always looked at Janeway's depression in night as a result of the events of "Hope and Fear" which as you pointed out go nicely together. I know many complain about Voyager's lack of continuity but in this case - whether planned or not - we have some here. :)
 
My only really problem with this episode is the solution to their problem. Janeway decides to sacrifice herself, which I find sensible. Of course, the crew refuses and some magically concocted treknobabble solution where no one has to sacrifice anything appears...
Janeway's issues are solved too quickly, and worse, with the help of technobabble. It's just lame.

Somewhat like "Extreme Risk". If both these episodes had left their main character's depression still lingering, and not resort to treknobabble action ending they would have been much better...
 
My 2 biggest problems in this episode:

1. The characterization of the aliens is so black and white. The Malon are the terrible, evil polluters while the Void aliens are the innocent, helpless, and naive victims.

2. Janeway seems pretty willing to share Starfleet technology with the Malon to end their polluting ways. The episode even admits that it would completely change Malon society. Kind of seems like Janeway would be facing a court martial back in the AQ for breaking that Prime Directive no-no.
 
I always loved this episode as well!!! I personally liked it that all the lights went out on the ship. :D And then I saw something on youtube that really made me :guffaw: Robert Picardo(the Doc) talked about this episode in an interview with part of the Voy Cast in Las Vegas one time and was talking about the actor who played the guy in the dark..he said that he described him as a "giant tootsie roll" and they called him the "Captain's Log". :lol: :guffaw: That was without a doubt one of THE funniest things I have ever heard!
 
I really liked Night.

I agree that Janeway's actions in Night are completely unforgiveable. This, and her torture of the Equinox crewmember are her worst actions in the entire series to me. There is no excuse for either. She should have been relieved from command in both cases. In Night, where the Heck was the EMH?? Why didn't he relieve her of command? She obviously couldn't function.

That said, I actually think these things make Janeway more interesting, so I'm not against them.
 
My 2 biggest problems in this episode:

2. Janeway seems pretty willing to share Starfleet technology with the Malon to end their polluting ways. The episode even admits that it would completely change Malon society. Kind of seems like Janeway would be facing a court martial back in the AQ for breaking that Prime Directive no-no.

I don't believe this would actually be a breach of the Prime Directive. Both in Voyager and TNG the Federation does undertake technology exchanges with other advanced speices.
 
^ It's just that in some Voyager episodes Janeway is dead set against sharing technology with similar races and in others she seems to have no problem with it and even suggests it.
 
My favorite episode of Voyager. Hands down. Love it. Even the background music is awesome.


She didn't need to be released from the command. There was only little to do in the void and her spending time alone in her quarters effected crew on a spiritual level at most. It didn't endanger them in a place where was nothing. Until there was and she was back in business again.
 
^ It's just that in some Voyager episodes Janeway is dead set against sharing technology with similar races and in others she seems to have no problem with it and even suggests it.

But they weren't sharing or trading technology per say, janeway was "fixing" everything that was wrong with their society, and it just so happened that rather than getting the Malon to be more responsible with what they had, which in itself would have been forcing the Malon to accept an untenable alien philosophy rammed down their throats like some kind of brain washing threat, Janeway was instead using technology as a bandaid which would have been dealing with only the exterior symptoms of welled puss under the surface, which is probably best demetaphoricalized as shortsighted complacent buck passing that anything out of sight is out of mind which is how i have been describing a particular war for a while now.

You save these people now, and they're just going to invent higher technology that they can't be bothered to handle green and responsibly which would definitely scar the environment just that much harder as their ability to expand further from their home fires allows them to pollute further, till the day they start mass producing Omega particles or dump toxic waste in the wrong aliens back yard who then atomize the Malon Home world.

Meanwhile, would you offer a 20th century Teran teamster a matter transporter which supposedly he had to share, which would put long haul tucking out of business or would you climb the ladder to someone above ground level to talk to some one with a fraction more commercial/political power than people who still same "darn fangled"?

If Janeway wanted to save the galaxy from the Malon then she should have gone to Malon, because as much as that spud ugly wanted to keep getting paid, there were powerful people who did not want to continue to pay this man to take out the garbage which would save them billions and billions over the months...

This isn't even counting the suicide volunteership to work these duties other applied for to maintain the health of the state and the good of the many for the sacrifice of the few.

Stuff.
 
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In Night, where the Heck was the EMH?? Why didn't he relieve her of command? She obviously couldn't function.

Nobody ever listens to the EMH unless they're humoring him. Starfleet doctors in general seem to get blown off, but especially so if it's a holographic doctor.
 
I think that Night is a fantastic episode. When Seven and a un-named conn officer were on the Bridge


Chakotay "Seven I need good news thats a order"

Seven "Then I must disobey"

POINT what was that conn officer doing? there was nothing for her to do! Was she keeping a eye on the systems?

What did the rest of ship doing before voyager was thrown into the power drain?

The music and effects were brilliant. The effects were never used again!

With out the raised nacelles and zooming pass camera the ship looked like it standing still.

If they hadn't found a way out we would have been stuck in storyless place for 2 seasons
 
This is a great episode. It's sets a mood the audience can papably feel. It also has the beginning of Captain Proton.
 
This series needed more Captain Proton.

Hells, if they kept the fake shit special effects, it would have made a fabulous Saturday afternoon pisstake adventure series... Wasn't the recent Flash Gordon series just complete shit?
 
I love Captain Proton.

It also proves that Harry Kim is rather dull no matter what exciting setting you put him into. :lol:
 
I think that Night was a fantastic episode. When Seven and a un-named conn officer were on the Bridge


Chakotay "Seven I need good news thats a order"

Seven "Then I must disobey"

POINT what was that conn officer doing? there was nothing for her to do! Was she keeping a eye on the systems?

What did the rest of ship doing before voyager was thrown into the power drain?

The music and effects were brilliant. The effects were never used again!

With out the raised nacelles and zooming pass camera the ship looked like it standing still.

The show would of been bland but they didn't and were brilliant I loved some parts of Endgame but was very disapointed with the way they chosse to end it
 
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I would have loved Night more as a show if nothing had happened. Just watching the crew being crew going about their usual business with out an ultradrama catastrophe screaming in from no where like a wet horny Banshee. This goes double for Good Sheperd and Triple for Jem'ha'dar (Doesn't that sound like something Rio would say to Jem whie they were doing it?).

I really did like this episode, I do recall jugglling cubersome VHS tapes watching night first view with a friend and after we looked at each other in total amazement... "Holy shit" i said "The new Voyager is better than the new DS9. How the hell dd that happen?"

Goodness and it was compeeting against Image in the sand with the new Dax showing up being adorable and... Wow?
 
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