NFL Football 2009
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I listened to an interview with a journalist who covers the Vikings, and he said that to a man everyone in that Vikings locker room wants Favre to come back. That's gotta make his decision even tougher
I really am serious when I say I would have been perfectly happy with any combination of the four teams/QB's, but I think Favre and Manning would have been my favorite if pressed to pick one.
If Garcon and Colley have another game like they just did, especially if Addai can run like that again.... New Orleans will be hard pressed to answer effectively.
Yes, which means they are winners. But they also have great records overall, not to mention pretty much ruling the career offensive stats for QB's. Don't worry, Brady still has more Super Bowl wins, for now.
Jesus Christ.
Perry Fewell pantsed the Bears on their defensive coordinator job when he decided to go to the Giants, and they've done nothing since to find someone else. (I fully expect Marinelli to get the job, because they have no options.)
But, fuck, the team has gotten annihilated in its offensive coordinator search. Lovie Smith wanted Mike Martz, but Jerry Angelo overruled him (for some unknown reason; if you have Jay Cutler, wouldn't you want a guy like Martz calling plays?). Jeremy Bates went to Seattle. Charlie Weis decided to go see what he could do with Patriots West. Bengals QB coach Ken Zampese decided to stick with the Bengals. Clyde Christensen wasn't interested. The Packers wouldn't let QB coach Tom Clements interview for the job.
I'm not sure I blame any of them. While there are only 64 coordinator jobs in the NFL, all of which are highly paid and prestigious, there are only roughly, what, a thousand position coach jobs in the league? Probably less? And they're pretty well-paid, too. What maniac would leave his stable employment to take the coordinator job for a head coach who has to make the playoffs in the NFC North in order to save his job (a guy who will likely fail in the North, and thus will instead instigate a housecleaning), rather than wait a year for the entire coaching staff (and probably the management) to get axed and have a solid few years to work?
Yes, Super Bowl rings are the indicator of a quarterback's talent. It's not his wide receivers, it's not his offensive line, it's not his running backs, it's not the defense, it's the quarterback who wins a Super Bowl. Wait, that means you'd argue that Jim McMahon is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
Perry Fewell pantsed the Bears on their defensive coordinator job when he decided to go to the Giants, and they've done nothing since to find someone else. (I fully expect Marinelli to get the job, because they have no options.)
But, fuck, the team has gotten annihilated in its offensive coordinator search. Lovie Smith wanted Mike Martz, but Jerry Angelo overruled him (for some unknown reason; if you have Jay Cutler, wouldn't you want a guy like Martz calling plays?). Jeremy Bates went to Seattle. Charlie Weis decided to go see what he could do with Patriots West. Bengals QB coach Ken Zampese decided to stick with the Bengals. Clyde Christensen wasn't interested. The Packers wouldn't let QB coach Tom Clements interview for the job.
I'm not sure I blame any of them. While there are only 64 coordinator jobs in the NFL, all of which are highly paid and prestigious, there are only roughly, what, a thousand position coach jobs in the league? Probably less? And they're pretty well-paid, too. What maniac would leave his stable employment to take the coordinator job for a head coach who has to make the playoffs in the NFC North in order to save his job (a guy who will likely fail in the North, and thus will instead instigate a housecleaning), rather than wait a year for the entire coaching staff (and probably the management) to get axed and have a solid few years to work?
Yes, Super Bowl rings are the indicator of a quarterback's talent. It's not his wide receivers, it's not his offensive line, it's not his running backs, it's not the defense, it's the quarterback who wins a Super Bowl. Wait, that means you'd argue that Jim McMahon is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
Arg. You mentioned McMahon and all I could think of was this:
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Oh, I'd still argue that Manning is one of the best QBs ever, if not THE best. But it just struck a funny nerve when he said he wanted to see Favre vs Manning because of the "history of winning" between the two quarterbacks. They've each only won 1 ring, and Manning, as of last game, is 9-8 all time in the playoffs, while Favre has ended his last couple runs by singlehandledly tanking his team's hopes.
Great QBs, yes. "History of Winning", meh
So the Jets overachieve and they let go of four coaches in response?
Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer too!
Brad Johnson, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer too!
They may not have a lot of rings between them, but Favre has a regular season record of 180-104 and Manning has a record of 131-61. Their winning percentage is a combined 65% (about 68% for Manning and 63% for Favre). That's huge. So do they have a history of winning the Super Bowl? No. But do they have a history of winning? Absolutely.
I see that Neroon and some others were able to grasp what "history of winning" means. It's not just SB rings. Scout needs to broaden his viewpoint it seems.
As an inclusive resume these guys have won league records, division &/or conference titles on top of some SB rings.
As an inclusive resume these guys have won league records, division &/or conference titles on top of some SB rings.
Holy shit. Hue Jackson turned down an interview with the Bears to go become the Raiders' offensive coordinator. How bad do you have to be that a guy would rather work for a lame-duck coach and Al Fucking Davis than even interview in Chicago?
The fact that they didn't even make an offer to the one guy who actually seemed interested in the job -- Mike Martz -- makes me think that they have no clue. In point of fact, everything they've done since the Super Bowl makes me think they have no clue:
"Thomas Jones? We don't need that dude."
"Ron Rivera? Not important."
"Any coaches on either side of the ball? Who needs 'em? All right, guys, let's get out there and tell the press how we're really close to another Super Bowl."
I wonder if Lovie and Angelo know how bad the situation is or if Lovie is just staring motionless at a wall, waiting for church.
Then burning a timeout so he can stare some more.
The fact that they didn't even make an offer to the one guy who actually seemed interested in the job -- Mike Martz -- makes me think that they have no clue. In point of fact, everything they've done since the Super Bowl makes me think they have no clue:
"Thomas Jones? We don't need that dude."
"Ron Rivera? Not important."
"Any coaches on either side of the ball? Who needs 'em? All right, guys, let's get out there and tell the press how we're really close to another Super Bowl."
I wonder if Lovie and Angelo know how bad the situation is or if Lovie is just staring motionless at a wall, waiting for church.
Then burning a timeout so he can stare some more.
Holy shit. Hue Jackson turned down an interview with the Bears to go become the Raiders' offensive coordinator. How bad do you have to be that a guy would rather work for a lame-duck coach and Al Fucking Davis than even interview in Chicago?
The fact that they didn't even make an offer to the one guy who actually seemed interested in the job -- Mike Martz -- makes me think that they have no clue. In point of fact, everything they've done since the Super Bowl makes me think they have no clue:
"Thomas Jones? We don't need that dude."
"Ron Rivera? Not important."
"Any coaches on either side of the ball? Who needs 'em? All right, guys, let's get out there and tell the press how we're really close to another Super Bowl."
I wonder if Lovie and Angelo know how bad the situation is or if Lovie is just staring motionless at a wall, waiting for church.
Then burning a timeout so he can stare some more.
I didn't think anyone wanted to work for Crypt Keeper Al Davis which would explain why Tom Cable still has a job.
Then again, it makes perfect sense. No one in their right mind would volunteer to join a team whose coach has one year to fight for his job and clearly doesn't have the players, coaching staff or management to reasonably succeed. Bear down, Chicago Bears!
Alright, we have the best punt returner in the history of the world, let's make him a wide receiver.... 
Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson...
Traded for a guy turned out to not be any better than Orton, who was never even given a chance to throw the ball anyway...
I expect Ogunleye, Peterson, Tinoisamoa, and Manning to all jump ship.
Gonna be a rough year next year.
Thomas Jones, Cedric Benson...
Traded for a guy turned out to not be any better than Orton, who was never even given a chance to throw the ball anyway...
I expect Ogunleye, Peterson, Tinoisamoa, and Manning to all jump ship.
Gonna be a rough year next year.
I wouldn't put the lion's share of the blame for the interceptions on Cutler. He had some boneheaded plays throughout the year, but between the assholes on the offensive line and not having anyone to throw to until Lovie decided to let Aromashodu come off the bench in Week 13, plus the retarded playcalling, he had no chance to succeed.
Cedric Benson...
The Jones trade was idiotic, but Benson had to be let go. He was a locker room cancer, he couldn't stop getting in trouble with the law and he didn't perform. From 2005 - 2007, he was absolutely terrible. It made perfect sense for him to be released, for the same reason that Cincinnati only gave him a 2-year, $7 million deal -- he had a history of being not good at football.
Uh ... three of these guys would not be missed.
That much is true.
I'm not even really sure how much those guys have been productive this year, but they're the only names I hear when I'm playing Madden. 
Benson had a very productive year with the Bengals, and was a good candidate for Comeback Player of the Year.
And that was with missing three games due to injury. However, it surprised the jocks off everyone because of just what Timby said about him. From my limited perspective, the guy turned his life around and became something closer to the RB he was expected to be.
Code:
Rush 301
YDS 1251
AVG 4.2
TD 6And that was with missing three games due to injury. However, it surprised the jocks off everyone because of just what Timby said about him. From my limited perspective, the guy turned his life around and became something closer to the RB he was expected to be.
Aww plop. Another hole for the Pats to plug next season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4864244
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=4864244
Bears are interviewing Mike Martz for the OC position. Could be good... or terrible.
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