Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by 137th Gebirg, Jun 12, 2019.
Yep. He also has a thousand carries on top of the sacks and hits QB’s normally take.
That’s always the issue. People can’t connect the “ooh, cool, a mobile QB that isn’t afraid to rush or dive into a scrum” and “huh, how come he is always hurt and can’t hold up anymore?”
The players in this league are physical monsters, every time someone gets hit, that could be it. The QBs that play a long time learn to avoid the hits and live to play another day
Both RG3 and Mike Vick are ... or should say were ... prime examples of that dichotomy, within recent memory. There have been many others, to be sure.
I do wonder about the long-term health and effectiveness of guys like Jackson and Murray? Cam Newton is a monster himself and the hits have caught up to him pretty quickly. Those two are small in comparison.
Not a long term model for success, to be sure. It’s exciting, but they pay the price a little each time
Yes, depending on what the player does, his talent, and your desire to have that player on your team. For a player of AB's talent, you put up with a little extra BS as long as it doesn't veer into criminality. Ironically, Al Davis wrote the book on how to win with "problem" players. You ignore the extraneous crap as long as they win.
The Raiders had already indicated that that was nothing (and it wasn't) and were apparently ready to move on.
You think any of this bothered the Patriots?
Sorry bro, but this is loser mentality.
Nope. Not even a little bit. Double standards are a quick way to create a negative work environment, creates a sense of entitlement and reinforces destructive behavior. There is no reason for the Raiders to tolerate this behavior, and leave it unremarked upon.
If it becomes detrimental to the team's effort, as it did to the Raider's, then it will mean something.
Then I'll lose, and that's fine by me.
But I don't see any of this being the Raider's fault. It's ludicrous to take such crap, and threats, from an employee. It's a garbage precedent, showing to your employees that so long as you perform you can act as unprofessional as you like.
But, I trust that when the next immature behavior occurs from a talented NFL player everyone will run to defend them, right? That's winning, right?
Not really. You had to be part of the team. You didn’t take training camp off under Al Davis, you did your job. Even Ken Stabler, notorious party guy, put in the required work. Even when hung over.
Those Raiders wouldn’t put up with a chump who thought he was too good to put in the same work they did.
Exactly. AB's attitude did not come across as a person invested in the Raider's organization. He did not demonstrate team player attributes, nor a willingness to participate with the team. His reaction to being released demonstrates that he probably never wanted to be with the Raiders.
If he had done the work for the Raiders then I could see the complaint about the organization. But, he didn't; he avoided work. Someone explain to me why that person's attitude should be tolerated?
We were set at WR. And like the Pats, we weren't looking for a receiver when we traded for AB. We traded Amari Cooper earlier in the summer and had already replaced him when, just like the Pats, AB fell into our laps. And just like the Pats, because our receiving corp was set, we had to get rid of a receiver (a rookie we liked), in order to fit AB into our roster.
Fortunately, we were able to re-sign him with some of the money were going to use on AB.
Oooooh, when you call the Raiders losers, it just makes me so mad I could just spit. [/quote]
So, do you think they can read the future or not. Which is it?
Yep, hope springs eternal every season. If you had been a Pats fan prior to 2000, you'd know something about that.
I'll put my knowledge of the game of football and the NFL up against yours any day of the week.
The point you started out with, which I disagreed with, was that the Raiders had made a bigger investment in AB than the Pats. Well, we never paid him any of that guaranteed money. So, once you guys pay him his guaranteed money, which may already have happened considering AB is going to play Sunday, the Pats will officially have made a bigger investment in AB than the Raiders did.
But I don't know if it's paranoia on your part or what, but if you've been paying attention, I haven't been arguing that AB was a bad investment for the Raiders or is now a bad investment for the Pats. That's kind of what what Fireproof78 has been arguing. If he doesn't do anything too crazy and if you handle him right, he could be a real good piece for any team.
Bruh man, no one is arguing that AB was a bad investment for the Pats. Relax.
Whoa, it is paranoia,
I haven't been arguing anything of the sort. I've been stating that AB had consquences for his choices and agreed with how the Raiders handled it. I don't see AB's behavior as positive for the team and any way contributing.
And here's the funny thing-I don't even care about the Raiders as a team! I certainly cannot stand the Steelers as a team, and I don't care about the Patriots But, I'm not going to pretend like the Raiders are somehow completely in error in their choices here.
No the Raiders barely showed up for preseason games. They didn't care about preseason at all. The vets would pull all kinds of shenanigans to get out of double days.
The guys got in whatever work they needed to get in order to win, but to say they were as rigid thinking as the Cowboys or Packers about it is just wrong. "Just win, baby", wasn't just a slogan, it was the foundation on which the Raiders were built and upon which they operated. It literally meant, we don't care what you do or say, as long as you win.
Or even wear the same helmet, for that matter!
At this point, however, I’m fairly certain that was simply an excuse he fabricated to advance his hasty exit from the team. The deal with the Pats was probably well under way when he started his little games in Oakland.
If it wasn’t for the grammar, I’d think you were Antonio Brown at this point.
Seriously, you’re argument is non-sense. You didn’t beat the Steelers and Dolphins and Vikings with players doing whatever the hell they wanted. The sport of football depends too much on timing and teamwork for that to ever actually work.
Bomani Jones said it pretty well on Twitter the other day: The Panthers used Cam like a running back, which meant he was going to have the career arc of a running back. Wrong side of 30, multiple surgeries, and I don't think he has any guaranteed money left on his deal ... time to walk away.
After taking one on the chin early, the Vikings defense plays three-quarters of lights-out football against a healthy Rodgers at Lambeau. Delvin Cook runs over the Packer defense.
Kirk Cousins overthrows wide-open Diggs on a skinny post twice. Puts the ball on the ground twice. And throws two picks - including one on 1st and goal from the five on what might have been the go-ahead drive late in the fourth quarter.
Kirk Cousins is $84 million of guaranteed trash.
Out scored 102-10 after two weeks. Perish the thought that the Dolphins are tanking.
I saw it put "LOLphins".
The Bears are now 3/3 on FG's....and that's it so far. A shame they couldn't have worked out the kinks on offense somewhere.
If my Google-fu is right, then the most points allowed in a season is 533? That's seems low. But if true, Fins will shatter it.
Sigh... vintage Skins.... start the game strong and then completely lose steam. Happened last week, too, against the Eagles. But at least in that one they waited until after halftime to start sucking. Today they were in much more of a hurry to lose to Dallas. They showed 70’s-80’s-era footage of the early days of the rivalry, with Theisman, Riggins and the Hogs, all the way up to ‘91 and I got really depressed how great things used to be before Snyder took over.
And now my adopted second team - the Broncos - are following down the same path, this time post-Manning. Now that their beloved owner is dead, they’ve completely gone down the tubes. The Bears are walking the dog on them, altitude notwithstanding. It’s like I’m watching the same game twice in the same day.
Oh yeah, fuck the Pats.
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