Your Mom was likely smart enough to not send texts about sexually assaulting the accuser in their sleep.
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Your Mom was likely smart enough to not send texts about sexually assaulting the accuser in their sleep.
That I know ofYour Mom was likely smart enough to not send texts about sexually assaulting the accuser in their sleep.
That argument might hold up if the allegation didn't come after months of abhorrent behavior. The Pats should have never signed him in the first place for many reasons - the least of which is the terrible precedent it sets.
The Pats are one major ego driven organization that believes they can "fix" anybody. That might even be true most times, but some idiots are just too comfortable in their stupidity.
yes? Point was that you weren't exactly deep in WR1, so yeah, he probably would have helped? Whereas the Pats aren't exactly hurting at that spot, so it's way easier to say he is/was a luxury. I'm having trouble understanding why that's contentious.
You're quite right here, AB probably won't make a dramatic change in the Raider's season. They were going to be losers anyway, they weren't a real contender with him, and won't be without him. This actually may improve the franchise, as it'll keep them out of the no-man's land and push them towards another high draft pick.
That I explicitly caveated it by saying that it was just Vegas odds and that it didn't mean they can read the future, you have to stretch that to me 'hanging my hat on it' to make your point?What, you're now hanging your hat on Vegas odds?
Just saying that there were black and white, numerical examples that people that professionally handicap these things think the Raiders odds of winning anything tanked when AB left. Cool that a fanboy has high hopes, but if I have to take insight into how roster changes impact a team's chances, I like Vegas over you. But perhaps you're right that neither source is worth much...
Completely agree, but you've been somehow still arguing that point for the last page "guffaw" [/quote]
They didn't trade anyone for him, straight signing. For half the guaranteed money that Oakland was giving him, and with several behavior-related clauses that allow them to void it. And it's a 1 year (well, fake 2 year) deal vs the multi-year deal Oakland had. Thomas was traded as part of making room, yes, but he'd been cut the week before and resigned, so not like he was cracking top 3-4 WR on the depth chart. If you want to look at it that way, we traded Thomas for AB and a 6th round pick. And then got AB for half of what Oakland was paying him. Net positive or negative trading an older player coming off of injury for a younger player who (talent-wise) is one of the tops at the position? You laugh, but at this point in his career and coming off of an Achilles injury, do you see Thomas as a star WR anymore? Or are you remembering like 6 years ago? Was he ahead of Gordon, Edelman, Dorsett, AB, or the kid the Pats drafted in the 1st round (on IR at the moment)? No. So, he was likely to get cut again anyway unless Gordon smokes himself back out of the league (a distinct possibility).Pats already have a bigger investment than you maybe care to admit considering they just traded a receiver for him. And yes, I know, Thomas was a "scrub"
I know everything gets filtered through Pats-Hate colored glasses, but really struggling with how you've managed to stretch my comment about AB being a luxury for the Pats into a page of disagreement.
No doubt, and in those cases, the Pats cut ties with the player and move on. Not that the Pats "fix" everyone, but there IS some leadership in the locker room and coaching that seems to get people to shut up (mostly) and buy in. A good amount of that is probably also that they are playing for a shot at the Superbowl most of the time, so there's big incentive to shut up, stick to the program, and get the ring before moving on to a big contract elsewhere. That's what fixes most players (short term); they get to be seen behaving again, playing in big games, and winning. Some loser franchise then over-spends on them and the Pats move on to someone else.
I don't think it's entirely ego by the Pats, a bunch is just knowing that they've got something tangible that the players want (a shot at a ring, prime time games and attention, etc.), as well as knowing that if the Pats bring them in and they get cut for being a dick, or too stupid to figure out the playbook, then many of the other teams seem to accept that as the player being done and they don't usually get another chance. Sometimes the talent is big enough that they get another shot at it elsewhere, but if they were a problem elsewhere, and then the Pats can't make it worth either, not many teams sign up to be next on that trainwreck of a player...
Sometimes it works great (Moss, Dillion, etc.) and other times the Pats cut their losses and the player doesn't really recover (Adalius Thomas, Albert Haynesworth, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, etc.) Most of the time the Pats aren't counting on that rehab project to carry the team, so relatively easy to cut bait as well. Which is another thing hanging over the player and forcing good behavior; Belichick can and will cut just about anyone, pretty ruthless like that, so there's legitimate consequences. Some players are STILL too stupid to make it work, but they at least get a fair shot usually.
Edit: just to not dump a 3rd post in a row, because multi-quote doesn't seem to work for me at the moment...
Regarding comments about the Pats should suspend Brown themselves, etc. Thus far, it's an accusation and a Civil lawsuit, no criminal charges have been brought. I'd think that should factor in, at least until there's been some investigating on this. Different response if this had been a criminal complaint instead of a financial one, IMO. And it's not a statute of limitations thing, so still seems off to me that she went straight to trying for money instead of a criminal complaint if she'd been repeatedly sexually assaulted and then later raped. Personally, I'd be trying to get him thrown in jail and THEN soak him for all he's worth, but the jail part would be primary. But I'm sure there will be a lot more coming out on this, so we'll see. Everything so far has looked bad, and also made AB look like a complete moron/asshole even aside from the sexual bit, but it's early in the process.
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They sure played like they were over him last week. The Broncos clearly didn't know whether to shit or go blind!
They sure played like they were over him last week. The Broncos clearly didn't know whether to shit or go blind!
He was never there for them to be over.
True that...
Yeah, and yet somehow it's still the Raiders fault? Not seeing it.
The nice thing is the Pats will not put up with shenanigans from AB. They'll cut him if he doesn't fall in line.
That's an expensive mistake to have made.
I’m sure they put clauses in the deal that penalize Brown heavily if he acts like a jackass.
Yeah, that was already reported. It may have been an expensive mistake on AB's part, but reportedly there's plenty of language in the deal with the Pats that allows them to drop him like yesterday's garbage without much financial penalty if there are any issues or things that cause problems for the team (of which this would definitely qualify if it gains traction after investigation). They don't have sunk money here, didn't trade anything for him, and aren't dependent on him to have a shot at a good season, so if it's not panning out, through more garbage behavior or intensification of this legal process, Belichick can and will have him taken out back and shot, and the team will just shrug and move on. Until there's a Criminal complaint/arrest, or the publicity on this gets beyond what Belichick wants to tolerate, they'll just keep their heads down and go to work for now...
Anyone that was dumb enough to rush out for an AB jersey already probably still has the tags and receipt, so we're definitely not too all-in on him yet. Of course, those idiots get what they deserve, as he just got his 'real' number yesterday, and it was after the news broke, so if they bought one anyway, on them. I'm pretty selective about mine, only have a Brady, Bruschi, and a Vinatieri one (felt that the kicker needed some love after the early Superbowls!), just starting to think about MAYBE a Gronk or Edelman one, so AB wasn't in any danger of showing up on my back anytime soon (inappropriate joke here)!
Anyone that was dumb enough to rush out for an AB jersey already probably still has the tags and receipt, so we're definitely not too all-in on him yet. Of course, those idiots get what they deserve, as he just got his 'real' number yesterday, and it was after the news broke, so if they bought one anyway, on them. I'm pretty selective about mine, only have a Brady, Bruschi, and a Vinatieri one (felt that the kicker needed some love after the early Superbowls!), just starting to think about MAYBE a Gronk or Edelman one, so AB wasn't in any danger of showing up on my back anytime soon (inappropriate joke here)!
Cam looked 'off' all night. I can't help but wonder if he might just follow Luck out the door.
He's in his ninth season, his body is breaking down, and he's made his millions, and his contract is up after the season. I'd be stunned if he didn't walk away.
