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NFL 2015-2016 Season - Maybe extra points actually ... matter? What?

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It must be great to be in the "Mediocre Division", not that the Bears could even muster a .500 record.
 
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I am in awe and amazement that the words "Redskins" and "playoffs" can be uttered in the same sentence. I know they probably can't go the distance against "real" teams once they actually get there, but it's definitely a step in the right direction and a decent indicator of a team finally on the mend. Looking forward to next week!
 
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Second week running I have switched off the Ravens game in disgust.
 
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Multiple reports are saying that Jeff Fisher and Les Snead are safe in St. Louis.

Fun fact: Fisher only needs 11 more losses to become the losingest coach in league history.

We should be able to help him reach that by the end of next season, no problem.
 
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I don't even watch the Dolphins play anymore. Until that franchise proves they give two turds about winning, I'm done caring.
 
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Multiple reports are saying that Jeff Fisher and Les Snead are safe in St. Louis.

Fun fact: Fisher only needs 11 more losses to become the losingest coach in league history.

We should be able to help him reach that by the end of next season, no problem.

It might well be those two are safe in St. Louis, only the Rams will be in L.A.

They'll move the Rams and not tell those guys :guffaw:
 
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Welp...despite loosing both their first and second string RB Seahawks have managed to clinch a berth in the post season. Yay!

No chance of reclaiming the NFC West title. Boo!

Still up in the air slightly whether they'll be 5th or 6th seed, depends on the Vikings/Packers results as well as the results of the last two regular season games.

Honestly it sucks that the NFC East champion automatically gets a higher seed and a post season home game just because they won a division, despite having worst record than either of the wild cards. I've seen a lot of people grumbling about that division and the AFC South's abysmal record as well.

Oh well...looks like if things stay as they are it'll be the...ugh I'm loath to even type the name...Redskins in the wild card round. I can see the Hawks handling that game pretty well. Hopefully Marshawn will be back in rotation around that time as well, but who knows. Maybe we don't need a 'real' RB. Honestly we've been playing better since Lynch went on the IR list.

The way I see it for the NFC post season (bar any changes)...Hawks beat the Redskins, replay the Panthers for divisional round and pay them back for the at home loss earlier in the season then go on to Green Bay and beat the Packers in a replay of last year's NFCCG and pay them back for the loss earlier in the season. Just as sweet would be seeing the Cardinals at their home and beating them in the NFCCG. Alternatively if we end up 6th seed I guess it's Viking's first (hah) then Panthers then Packers/Cardinals.

On the chance of the Hawks making it to the Superb Owl I don't know much about the AFC outside of the teams the Hawks played. We beat the Steelers once, and I don't really see them making it all the way anyway. The Bengals played a much different Seahawks team and I don't see them getting another last minute win again. In a way I think my favorite scenario is a replay of last year's big game with the Patriots.

OK...so I guess my Superb Owl prediction at the point is Seattle vs. New England. Just remember (although there's not much history here and it's always been against the 49's...hah) the Seahawks have never lost a game in Santa Clara.

Anyone else care to predict who'll make it to "The Big Dance" at this point?
 
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Know a lot of Seahawks fans are new, but you shouldn't complain about crappy teams winning crappy divisions while 'better' teams are wildcards (or miss completely). Seahawks benefited from that same rule only a couple years ago, winning the shitty NFC West with a 7-9 record. While the 11-5 Saints and 10-6 Packers had to go on the road and win in. Pretty unfair, huh? ;)

Or in 2008, the Patriots went 11-5 without Brady, and didn't make the playoffs. 8-8 Chargers got a home game for playing in shitty AFC West.

It sucks, but it happens. Winning your division is important, you play each of them twice. If they tweak things, most likely approach would be add one wild card per league, and take away the Bye week from the #2 seed. Doesn't alter the format or add weeks, but lets 2 more teams in. And forces the top teams to play harder at the end, because only #1 team gets an important Bye, so they won't start resting in week 14 and screw up the remaining games...

Prediction: I'll go out on a limb (not at all) and go with Panthers and Patriots. Panthers look unstoppable, but I wouldn't count the Patriots out in that matchup, if they can find enough healthy bodies to field a roster by February...
 
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Know a lot of Seahawks fans are new, but you shouldn't complain about crappy teams winning crappy divisions while 'better' teams are wildcards (or miss completely). Seahawks benefited from that same rule only a couple years ago, winning the shitty NFC West with a 7-9 record. While the 11-5 Saints and 10-6 Packers had to go on the road and win in. Pretty unfair, huh? ;)

Or in 2008, the Patriots went 11-5 without Brady, and didn't make the playoffs. 8-8 Chargers got a home game for playing in shitty AFC West.

It sucks, but it happens. Winning your division is important, you play each of them twice. If they tweak things, most likely approach would be add one wild card per league, and take away the Bye week from the #2 seed. Doesn't alter the format or add weeks, but lets 2 more teams in. And forces the top teams to play harder at the end, because only #1 team gets an important Bye, so they won't start resting in week 14 and screw up the remaining games...

Prediction: I'll go out on a limb (not at all) and go with Panthers and Patriots. Panthers look unstoppable, but I wouldn't count the Patriots out in that matchup, if they can find enough healthy bodies to field a roster by February...

Boston fan is smug, sky blue, water wet.
 
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Know a lot of Seahawks fans are new,
Every organization in team sports gains new fans when they play for and win championships. The Pats certainly have gotten their share of folks who jump on board every time they appear in, or win a SB. No need to think the Seahawks have any more of this than any other team with comparable accomplishments in recent years.
 
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Boston fan is smug, sky blue, water wet.

If it bothers you, just change my post to what you wish it said. Again. For fun, though, which part was the part you didn't agree with? Or is it just more Admin trolling? Forgot to even pretend to address the point, just took the personal swipe.

What's the problem with calling someone out for complaining about a rule that just benefited them a couple years ago? When you win a division at 7-9, maybe don't complain about crappy teams winning crappy divisions and getting rewarded over wild card teams?

Pointed out it helped the Seahawks recently, showed an example with my own team where they were better and it still cost them because of the same rule, highlights importance of winning division. Which part was wrong?

Know a lot of Seahawks fans are new,
Every organization in team sports gains new fans when they play for and win championships. The Pats certainly have gotten their share of folks who jump on board every time they appear in, or win a SB. No need to think the Seahawks have any more of this than any other team with comparable accomplishments in recent years.

Sure, bandwagon fans everywhere. Does it mean their struggle is valid just because it happens everywhere? Plenty of Pink Hat Boston fans, they get ridiculed on a regular basis. The very recent Seahawk surge is just along those same lines. And seeing as how the complaint was about something that benefited the Seahawks a couple years ago (right before the big Bandwagon surge), I took a chance. :shrug:

Tends to be slightly more Red Sox than Patriots, but the drunken idiots at Fenway that want to be seen there but can't tell the difference between a Home Run and a Touchdown can be entertaining. Sports radio does a weekly bit interviewing fans coming out of Sox games, and results are... not great. Usually done as a contest, and if you guess they won't get any answers even remotely right, you usually win hands down. And real tricky stuff, like asking a girl in a Sox jersey to name a player on the team. :lol:
 
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If they go at least 8-8 AND if they make the playoffs, that completely validates what I've been saying even if we lose in the first round or not. In order for you to be right, they'd have to finish below .500 (while relatively healthy), which would be a devastating blow to me.

While I'm already getting bashed, may as well throw this in:

Raiders are 6-8, cannot get above .500. (You moved the goalpost to below .500, whereas I said they haven't had a winning season 9-7, in a long time, but point's about the same). Still have games against the Chargers and the Chiefs, both decently tough games.

Eliminated from the playoffs last weekend.

Relatively healthy. Can't say I follow them enough to know every name on the roster, but seemed like the big pieces were all there, and the IR list didn't have any that really stood out, but may have missed someone.

So not really trying to start that whole debate again, but since you wrote it to call me out like that, seemed fair to repost with the results...

Carr still looks pretty good, just hasn't made the leap yet.
 
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Funny...I hear accusations towards Seahawks fans of being 'bandwagon' often in online comment sections and message boards. Generally come from...Patriots fans who are completely too smug about their win last year (that nearly wasn't!).

Oddly enough Denver fans at least LOST with some class the year before and don't make up stupid names like Seahags and Seasquacks or whatever. The worst is butthurt 49ers fans.

I'll admit I've been MORE of a fan since the Russell Wilson era started in 2012. He's really given Seahawks fans someone to root for and they've found their 'franchise' QB with him I think. He means a lot to the fans and the city of Seattle with the good work he and the other players do around town. I grew up in the state of Washington and have lived in Seattle for almost 10 years, and while I admit I haven't always been a 'big' Seahawks fan (followed the Mariners for a lot longer, honestly) it's been fun to feel the camaraderie that's been built around the fans of the team. When I wear my #3 jersey around town I'll have people randomly say "Go Hawks!" to me. They've given our city something to root for the last 4 years or so and it's been nice considering how cold Seattleites can be towards each other sometimes.

As for Carolina being 'unstoppable'? The post season is a whole different situation than the regular season and Carolina, while it's been winning, it showing it's exhaustion. I don't know that they have legs, yet, to go all the way. The Seahawks, despite injuries to key players, have finally started working well in all three stages of the game (defense isn't quite what it was two years ago, but that's to be expected). They're picking up steam the right time of year and while I'm not certain they'll go all the way I know they're gonna give the teams they play a good run for their money. Seahawks are proven post season winners and the Panthers, frankly, are not yet. Either way it should be a good show.
 
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Think that was really the basis of my comment, though; massive swelling in Seahawks fans in the last 4 years or so. And because of social media and whatnot, the perception of the #12 Superfan that still has tags on his jersey is still pretty fresh. Agree it's gonna happen when you win, but it was just a very big, very new movement is all. And you picked 4 years as your cutoff, but the thing you complained about benefited the Seahawks only 5 years ago, so it struck me as ironic, which is why i commented.

Completely disagree that Seahawks bandwagon fan comments "generally come from Patriots fans smug about the win last year". Most of the bandwagon discussion came out of the last couple years, and likely peaked with your superbowl win, so it would be odd for the majority of it to come after a loss a year later.

Here's your own paper discussing the matter (in 2013, during the run up to the superbowl win): http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/guest-are-bandwagon-seahawks-fans-for-real/

As for Carolina: yes, I'm familiar with the concept of an undefeated team being unable to complete the task. Within about 45 seconds out of 19 games, unfortunately. :( That said, not sure how you don't pick them to at least go to the Superbowl at this point, they're very hot right now, and don't seem to be suffering many of the same injuries that are killing everyone else. Maybe they'll stumble, but gotta at least like their chances. On the AFC side, still like the Patriots (if they can stop losing key people), but Steelers are a definite wild card that I hope they get to avoid, because they look hot right now.
 
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While I'm already getting bashed,
The reason your posts are getting responded to ["bashed", :lol:] is because once again, one of them contains a passive-aggressive jab, while allowing the ability to back away while claiming innocence when called out. You should drop the passive-aggressive approach and just say what's on your mind. Your posts will likely still get questioned, but at least no one will be able to accuse you of passive aggressiveness.

Raiders are 6-8, cannot get above .500. (You moved the goalpost to below .500, whereas I said they haven't had a winning season 9-7, in a long time, but point's about the same). Still have games against the Chargers and the Chiefs, both decently tough games.

Eliminated from the playoffs last weekend.

Relatively healthy. Can't say I follow them enough to know every name on the roster, but seemed like the big pieces were all there, and the IR list didn't have any that really stood out, but may have missed someone.

So not really trying to start that whole debate again, but since you wrote it to call me out like that, seemed fair to repost with the results...

Carr still looks pretty good, just hasn't made the leap yet.
As I recall, the discussion was about your belief that the Raiders had made little to no progress since the Tuck Rule game. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I disagreed. I felt that the Raiders had shown much improvement this past season and went on to state the end of season measurements I would use to judge that progress. They may yet fall short of two of the goals, making the playoffs and finishing at 500. However, my original post on the subject was wrong. I won't be devastated if we finish below .500 because I believe the Raiders are a much better team than they've been in the last several years, and because I believe they are on the right track.

Now, you know, you're still wrong, right? I am assuming that's the reason you're kind of tip toeing around. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
Think that was really the basis of my comment, though; massive swelling in Seahawks fans in the last 4 years or so. And because of social media and whatnot, the perception of the #12 Superfan that still has tags on his jersey is still pretty fresh. Agree it's gonna happen when you win, but it was just a very big, very new movement is all. And you picked 4 years as your cutoff, but the thing you complained about benefited the Seahawks only 5 years ago, so it struck me as ironic, which is why i commented.
Like there wasn't a massive swelling in the number of Pats' fans when Brady led them to his first SB win back in 2002 or whenever it was. BTW, no doubt that wave of new fans also caught you up in it's wake? Am I right? Tell the truth.

The only difference between thousands and thousands of Pats and Seahawk fans over the last 15 years, is the Pats bandwagoners probably have about an 11 year head start.
 
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Now, you know, you're still wrong, right? I am assuming that's the reason you're kind of tip toeing around. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
There wasn't any tip toeing there. You set the bar for good/bad season, and now that they haven't gotten there on any of the points you selected, you still want to claim victory for being right? Per your bar, they won't have a winning season, no playoffs, and can't point at the major injury caveat you put in there. But you were still right? How's that work? :lol: Seems like my comment about the Raiders staying stuck at mediocre and failing to get above 8-8 again was pretty much spot on. Reasons for optimism, but no change to results yet. Not to say things aren't showing signs of turning around, but since you'd have made a big deal about it if i was wrong and they finished 9-7 or better, made the playoffs, etc. should at least acknowledge you wiffed on this one this year. I could add in the challenges to masculinity that you seem to prefer, but you get the idea. Sack up and admit I wasn't wrong.

Like there wasn't a massive swelling in the number of Pats' fans when Brady led them to his first SB win back in 2002 or whenever it was. BTW, no doubt that wave of new fans also caught you up in it's wake? Am I right? Tell the truth.

Can't argue some of that, as like you said, any championship run will garner some of that. Just because you're ancient doesn't mean that everyone else is a 'tween, though. I watched through plenty of shitty Patriots seasons with my family prior to Brady. Shitty, crumby teams in a dumpy stadium that were never going anywhere. The run in '95 (loss to green bay) was probably the era where i started to watch more on my own, independently of them though. Which would have also been when i was about 14. Bandwagon probably got going in 01/02, let a few people off after a crappy 02 season, and then filled back up after the 03/04 back to back wins. Would like to think that if you were looking for signs of optimism instead of a bandwagon to hop on, you'd have gotten on with Bledsoe and Parcells, though. that's when the franchise started the process of not sucking/being an embarrassment.

So no, didn't hop on with Brady. Thanks for asking. Spent plenty of years getting pissed at Bledsoe for throwing up a jump ball every time he was about to get sacked, adding an interception to the list of shit that went wrong with the play. His worst quality...

The only difference between thousands and thousands of Pats and Seahawk fans over the last 15 years, is the Pats bandwagoners probably have about an 11 year head start.
For some people, that's true. of course, you can't use that to denigrate Pats fans while denying it's a factor for Seahawks fans, can you? Personally find the 12th Man stuff a little sickly sweet, but like I said, feel the same way about the garbage Red Sox fans in the pink bedazzled hats, so there you go.

End of the day, it was STILL pretty tone deaf to complain about a rule/set up that benefited their team just a couple years prior. Don't have to dig into the film archives, wasn't before the league merger, not even pre-internet; it was 2010.

Would you tolerate a new Pats fan in 2005 bitching about a Tuck Rule call that went against them in a game (hypothetical, although there WAS a tuck rule call that went against the Pats earlier in 2001, which is why it was less shocking in the playoffs, but anyway), oblivious to the 2001-2002 playoffs? I'm sure you'd just let it go without comment, and think no less of the guy ;)
 
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Actually been kinda nice that the Red Sox have been shitty for a couple seasons, thinned out the bandwagon a bit and made tickets easier to get. So pros and cons there I guess.
 
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^ I'm going to the 49ers/Rams game for my birthday. StubHub had like 10,000 tickets available.

:lol:

So yes there are some benefits to stinking out loud.
 
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downside is that there used to be easy money to make in the secondary market. But it IS nice to not have to buy a pack of crappy tickets in December, getting 3 bad games to get the one you want. Now you can wait and buy the one you want on Stubhub for less than face :lol:
 
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Now, you know, you're still wrong, right? I am assuming that's the reason you're kind of tip toeing around. Correct me if I'm wrong. :)
There wasn't any tip toeing there. You set the bar for good/bad season, and now that they haven't gotten there on any of the points you selected, you still want to claim victory for being right? Per your bar, they won't have a winning season, no playoffs, and can't point at the major injury caveat you put in there. But you were still right? How's that work? :lol: Seems like my comment about the Raiders staying stuck at mediocre and failing to get above 8-8 again was pretty much spot on.
Now, doesn't it feel better just coming out and saying what you mean rather than posting some weasely passive aggressive stuff that tends to bury your meaning?

Anyway, if you want to "claim victory" in this little debate, please do. I really did set the bar a bit too high in mentioning playoffs, but we still have a chance to get to .500. But my main point is, even if we don't get to .500, from where this team has been the last few years, 6 or 7 wins is a major step forward and that is what is really important to me.
Like there wasn't a massive swelling in the number of Pats' fans when Brady led them to his first SB win back in 2002 or whenever it was. BTW, no doubt that wave of new fans also caught you up in it's wake? Am I right? Tell the truth.

Can't argue some of that, as like you said, any championship run will garner some of that.
Nothing more need be said. So you should stop attempting to demean the posts of other fans by implying that their opinions have less value because they are "new".

Just because you're ancient
You don't mind if I take this as a compliment, do you? :)

For some people, that's true. of course, you can't use that to denigrate Pats fans while denying it's a factor for Seahawks fans, can you?
Maybe you need to re-read my posts on this subject. At no time was I trying to denigrate any fandom. Why do you always feel like you're being persecuted? What I pointed out was that while you were attempting to demean Seahawk's fans for having recently become fans because of the team's recent success, many, many Pats fans fit into the very same category -- new fans who have jumped on board because of the team's recent success. You say that doesn't include you. Okay, if you say so. :)
Would you tolerate a new Pats fan in 2005 bitching about a Tuck Rule call that went against them in a game (hypothetical, although there WAS a tuck rule call that went against the Pats earlier in 2001, which is why it was less shocking in the playoffs, but anyway), oblivious to the 2001-2002 playoffs? I'm sure you'd just let it go without comment, and think no less of the guy ;)
Whether or not I could tolerate a fan's bitching about anything related to their team, would have likely have nothing to do with the perception of that fan as being "new". I tolerate you, don't I. :) Doesn't mean I wouldn't take up the issue if I disagreed with an opinion. You need to get away from the idea that some fans' opinions are more valid or valuable than others. What it all boils down to is whether you agree or disagree.
 
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