Neither of you read my post, apparently:Yeah, beyond a stretch. That he quoted a guy that changed teams when I was like 9 months old (I'm currently 34 and change) sorta proves that there wasn't much behind the statement. No idea of the circumstances around that one, other than it says he played out his contract and then went to Oakland where he played another 7 years. Pats got a 1st and 2nd rounder for him, then traded the 1st, so tough to kinda chase that one down to see where the return was. Pats sucked for quite a while before, during, and after that, though, so probably didn't help much, even if they made a good pick with the return.
And not the same owner, GM, coach, or even stadium. I mean, what's the connection again?
What did you think "overall record" meant? The two of you might have a point if I had put time parameters on it like "in the last 20 years. But I didn't.
) there was no hard cap back then, letting him go to the Raiders may actually have been the real mistake. I say this because the Raiders 1st and 2nd picks in the mid-80's probably weren't all that valuable.
If you had to go that far back, and the best you could do was point to an expensive player on a bad team that got traded for a decent draft pick haul....
You asked me to "name one" and I did. Now you're saying "name another one". Yeah it goes back a ways but also, the player involved happens to have been a Hall of Famer. It is similar to the "mistake" the Raiders made letting Marcus Allen go, minus the animosity and the Super Bowl win.
Yeah, kinda like the Randy Moss situation, huh.
You said "name one"... No, it wasn't supposed to be a dig. I'm not passive aggressive. I was trying to give you a bit of perspective considering that you obviously haven't been following the league that long. I honestly wasn't sure if you were even aware of what type of teams the Pats and Raiders used to be.
There's that passive aggressive gene again.
Yes, Carr doesn't look "too bad" and keep in mind that we haven't fired our "manager" yet this season so that's another plus.
I don't need you to like the Patriots, it's more fun that you hate them and they win anyway.
It's impossible to even acknowledge that the Pats could win a game without cheating, or being meanies and running up the score, or being too good at the coin flip, or whatever the nonsense excuse of the day is from the losers in the league. If we're beyond all of that, all that's left is the scores, and no point in having discussion. And in that case, pretty clear: shut up and kiss the rings.
That the Raiders (most likely) will end up a good team. Duh.
Your fellow Pats fan took issue with it when in response to my post stating the above, wrote:
In his favor though, he did back off this statement after a bit of prodding.
You might want to consult Google on this one.
That wasn't a passive/aggressive dig at you. You've been following the NFL for what, 15, maybe 20 years? It is all about perspective, bro. To me, from where I'm looking, you haven't been following the league all that long. Trying to see things from a perspective other than your own is good thing. You should try it.Oh no, you're not passive-aggressive at all!
Guess you can attempt to appeal to authority if you run out of other methods, and I can't argue it since you're older than me, but let's not just pretend that I started watching yesterday while you taught Madden everything he knew, m'kay? Not my fault that the Raiders haven't been good very often in my lifetime. That is what it is...
That the Raiders (most likely) will end up a good team. Duh.
Your fellow Pats fan took issue with it when in response to my post stating the above, wrote:
In his favor though, he did back off this statement after a bit of prodding.
You might want to consult Google on this one.
That wasn't a passive/aggressive dig at you. You've been following the NFL for what, 15, maybe 20 years? It is all about perspective, bro. To me, from where I'm looking, you haven't been following the league all that long. Trying to see things from a perspective other than your own is good thing. You should try it.Oh no, you're not passive-aggressive at all!
Guess you can attempt to appeal to authority if you run out of other methods, and I can't argue it since you're older than me, but let's not just pretend that I started watching yesterday while you taught Madden everything he knew, m'kay? Not my fault that the Raiders haven't been good very often in my lifetime. That is what it is...
No, I'm not comparing the two eras. BTW, the Raiders have won 3 SB's. Only 1 less than the Pats. Don't look back.
The "hard" cap is the thing that makes it utterly different than any NFL era in my lifetime. So yes, it's harder to build a dynasty in this era (so major props to the Pats' organization), but I also don't think it has ever been easier to get into or win a Super Bowl, you know, parity and all.
We play a loser's schedule this season which is only right, considering. But as I wrote, my hopes for the Raiders this season is 8-8, anything beyond that is glorious gravy.And entertainingly, Raiders lost another one since you started that argument; you're back to .500. League is a bit of a shit show this year, though, and you've got soft opponents coming up (only playing 3 more teams with winning records), so you'll almost definitely make the wild card, even if you don't finish more than 8-8. If you make the playoffs, but lose in the first round, are we both right?
