News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman
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Flash, Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow are on the same earth. Supergirl isn’t, Black Lightening is unknown.
Part 3 spoilers
So if I understood Super Deegan correctly, he doesn’t know anything about Earth-38, so what we’re seeing here are Earth-1 Alex Danvers and Jimmy Olson
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Why is supergirl not on the same earth as the others?
I assume it didn't fit the narrative they wished to build.
Ah ok. I haven't watched Arrow since season 2 and never got into the other CW shows. I'd give a batwoman series a shot though if they make one.
Well, the show started off on a different network and I'm sure that that was taken into consideration. Before Supergirl moved to CW (and Vancouver) crossing the shows over was impractical (Barry's appearance in S1 was more of a "guest star" than a "crossover"). By the time Supergirl moved from CBS to CW, it had already been established to be on another Earth,
Whoa...no discussion on the teaser for 2019...which might make a lotnofbthese discussions moot. (And I wonder if what we have heard on Black Lightning means the show is set in the aftermath of the crisis??
Supergirl is set on a different Earth because Greg Berlanti and Ali Adler wanted it to be that way; the fact that it was originally picked up by CBS had nothing whatsoever to do with that decision.
My overall assessment of this whole event. A lot of great moments that did not add up to a coherent story. Too many characters, who pop up and disappear with no follow up. Obviously I am taking about Flash 90. But the supporting casts of each show. Finding out who Alex is really is on Earth 1 should have been teased at the end. They have time up follow up it. But I doubts they will.
Also I felt for many years DC is great at mythologizing and romanticizing the quality of their big events. Crisis on Infinite Earths is not a good story. It was a gimmick to meet a check list of company wide changes. Writer Marv Wolfman himself has said the only good thing he has to say about it is all the money he made from it.
Whatever they do will be vastly different from what the comics did. Which is good. But it means they are just selling a brand name. Both Barry and Kara were killed off in that story. It took decades to undo that damage to those characters.
Also I felt for many years DC is great at mythologizing and romanticizing the quality of their big events. Crisis on Infinite Earths is not a good story. It was a gimmick to meet a check list of company wide changes. Writer Marv Wolfman himself has said the only good thing he has to say about it is all the money he made from it.
Whatever they do will be vastly different from what the comics did. Which is good. But it means they are just selling a brand name. Both Barry and Kara were killed off in that story. It took decades to undo that damage to those characters.
Supergirl - "Elseworlds, Part 3"
Kara/SG: "I guess my pod didn't land here" -- hard confirmed that the various worlds never shared matching histories.
Alex deciding to help Kara pretty much after a couple of minutes of conversation was unrealistic; she's a different Alex, so she would not respond to and/or find anything relatable/interesting about the Alex from Kara's world.
Clark/SM: 'I've encountered books like this before." That deserved more attention. That's the kind of 500-pound gorilla of a reference that needs to come up again, since we actually see Superman using the book with no trouble at all.
Oliver/Arrow: The Monitor & John Deegan: Oliver really should not have doubts about his true nature, nor should he have hesitated in trying to deliver his would-be death arrow to Deegan / evil Superman. He admits to that when facing the Monitor, but the entire problem could have been brought to an end with that arrow early on.
NOTES:
"The world does not need a Superman if it has a Supergirl". Aside from that showrunner messaging (again), getting rid of Superman running off with Lois to have a child seems like the series final way of ending any questions why Superman never shows up when his earth faces grave danger.
Back to subpar FX again, especially in the Superman vs. Superman fight. The compositing looked like old video bluescreen work from 70s TV.
The earth exterior FX...oh, that was awful!
The problem with planning an adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earths is that the CW crossover productions worked okay with a few characters, but the moment others are brought in, they seem shoehorned and utterly unnecessary, like the involvement of J'onn and Brainy. Unless the showrunners plan to scale COIE down to a less than impressive, jaw-dropping scale (which that classic story does not deserve), I cannot see that being handled well by this TV production.
GRADE: C.
Having the Monitor (and Deegan) appear at all came off like the showrunners were--ultimately--trying to thread them through events like (in no surprise) Thanos in all of those MCU Easter Eggs, until he shows his true "game" in a bigger event. The problem with this was that it compromised the Monitor being an effective antagonist in this story, which should have been told without the idea of some future story using him to some implied or imagined full potential. This is not the MCU, nor does it have the luxury of layering / threading a villain over the course of a decade's worth of films, so he needed to have his story explained here--where he was supposed to be the string-puller. So in the end, the middle act of this crossover was the strongest (Batwoman), but its conclusion left much to be desired.
Kara/SG: "I guess my pod didn't land here" -- hard confirmed that the various worlds never shared matching histories.
Alex deciding to help Kara pretty much after a couple of minutes of conversation was unrealistic; she's a different Alex, so she would not respond to and/or find anything relatable/interesting about the Alex from Kara's world.
Clark/SM: 'I've encountered books like this before." That deserved more attention. That's the kind of 500-pound gorilla of a reference that needs to come up again, since we actually see Superman using the book with no trouble at all.
Oliver/Arrow: The Monitor & John Deegan: Oliver really should not have doubts about his true nature, nor should he have hesitated in trying to deliver his would-be death arrow to Deegan / evil Superman. He admits to that when facing the Monitor, but the entire problem could have been brought to an end with that arrow early on.
NOTES:
"The world does not need a Superman if it has a Supergirl". Aside from that showrunner messaging (again), getting rid of Superman running off with Lois to have a child seems like the series final way of ending any questions why Superman never shows up when his earth faces grave danger.
Back to subpar FX again, especially in the Superman vs. Superman fight. The compositing looked like old video bluescreen work from 70s TV.
The earth exterior FX...oh, that was awful!
The problem with planning an adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earths is that the CW crossover productions worked okay with a few characters, but the moment others are brought in, they seem shoehorned and utterly unnecessary, like the involvement of J'onn and Brainy. Unless the showrunners plan to scale COIE down to a less than impressive, jaw-dropping scale (which that classic story does not deserve), I cannot see that being handled well by this TV production.
GRADE: C.
Having the Monitor (and Deegan) appear at all came off like the showrunners were--ultimately--trying to thread them through events like (in no surprise) Thanos in all of those MCU Easter Eggs, until he shows his true "game" in a bigger event. The problem with this was that it compromised the Monitor being an effective antagonist in this story, which should have been told without the idea of some future story using him to some implied or imagined full potential. This is not the MCU, nor does it have the luxury of layering / threading a villain over the course of a decade's worth of films, so he needed to have his story explained here--where he was supposed to be the string-puller. So in the end, the middle act of this crossover was the strongest (Batwoman), but its conclusion left much to be desired.
So you were partially right. We got Earth-1 Alex and Jimmy counterparts, but no kryptonians.
What was the hammer??!!
Legends of Tomorrow also just encountered a similar book, except it’s blank, and whatever the writer writes down becomes real.
If they want to be bold. They should expanded the Crisis next year to much longer. Buildup in all the individual series. But more episodes of the actual event. 5 nights with 2 hours each. Full old school miniseries length. Not separate regular length episodes which they did this year. Last year felt more movie like in scope because 4 episodes were shown in only two nights.
I'm afraid the finale didn't work as well for me as the first two parts. It had some impressive elements, but it wasn't really that much about Barry and Oliver anymore and was mainly a Superman-centric story, and the pieces didn't really fit together as cohesively as before.
I'm a little disappointed that the alternate Superman turned out to be Deegan doing cosplay, but Hoechlin did a good job playing a different character. The battle of the Supermen was well-done. The Superman-Lois stuff was nice enough, even though it felt like an interlude from a different show. This was the Supergirl episode, but it didn't have much to do with Supergirl herself; it was more about Superman and Alex.
It's inconsistent that Deegan knew nothing about Superman except what he saw in the AMAZO fight, yet he somehow knew about Alex, James, the Fortress of Solitude, and "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That was kind of a plot hole. Interesting to know, though, that Alex and James apparently have Earth-1 doppelgangers. It's kind of sad that they never met Kara and Clark.
I'm not crazy about them invoking the idiotic physics of Superman: The Movie's turn-back-time sequence. Slowing the rotation of the Earth should not have any effect on time. Also, I'm disappointed that Superman and Lois are leaving for Argo again. Not only have I never liked the idea that Superman needed to be gone for a Supergirl show to work, but I'd been hoping we'd see more of Lois, sometime sooner that 9 months from now.
And it's frustrating that we still don't know the fate of Flash-90. Hopefully he'll be back for Crisis on Infinite Earths next year. Speaking of which, I assume that's when we'll get the payoff for whatever deal Oliver made with the Monitor. Logically, the "balance" for sparing Barry and Kara would be Oliver sacrificing himself. Could that be how they plan to end Arrow? Well, not midseason, surely. Anyway, it's wild that they're actually doing CoIE, and that they're announcing it a year in advance.
Okay, so the guy in the mask at the end has got to be Psycho-Pirate. I remember them announcing him in the guest cast. But what was that hammer Lois was wielding?
It's inconsistent that Deegan knew nothing about Superman except what he saw in the AMAZO fight, yet he somehow knew about Alex, James, the Fortress of Solitude, and "Truth, Justice, and the American Way." That was kind of a plot hole. Interesting to know, though, that Alex and James apparently have Earth-1 doppelgangers. It's kind of sad that they never met Kara and Clark.
I'm not crazy about them invoking the idiotic physics of Superman: The Movie's turn-back-time sequence. Slowing the rotation of the Earth should not have any effect on time. Also, I'm disappointed that Superman and Lois are leaving for Argo again. Not only have I never liked the idea that Superman needed to be gone for a Supergirl show to work, but I'd been hoping we'd see more of Lois, sometime sooner that 9 months from now.
And it's frustrating that we still don't know the fate of Flash-90. Hopefully he'll be back for Crisis on Infinite Earths next year. Speaking of which, I assume that's when we'll get the payoff for whatever deal Oliver made with the Monitor. Logically, the "balance" for sparing Barry and Kara would be Oliver sacrificing himself. Could that be how they plan to end Arrow? Well, not midseason, surely. Anyway, it's wild that they're actually doing CoIE, and that they're announcing it a year in advance.
Okay, so the guy in the mask at the end has got to be Psycho-Pirate. I remember them announcing him in the guest cast. But what was that hammer Lois was wielding?
That's been bugging me since I saw Lois holding it on the crossover poster. I was thinking it belonged to Stargirl, but she carried a staff. So I don't know...
Isn’t it Steel’s hammer? Also, you make a Superman-centric story sound like a bad thing.
True. Too much attempted MCU-ing with the Monitor instead of having him be the involved motivator of the story as should have been.
...and if they cannot manage the characters they already deal with on weekly basis, how can they handle the teased Crisis on Infinite Earths--arguably the biggest story in comic book history?
...no, that's a bad sign, as one of the greatest of all comic stories cannot be short-changed, "in-name-only", or watered down just to sell an "event" crossover. The reason COIE was such a stellar success/shocker in the comics, was that it involved and respected all of the characters--so many played a developed, important role, that readers felt like the stakes were "real", with no characters simply there to be there for stunt cameos, or meaningless fates. That is the one and only way to adapt COIE. Anything less would make the failings of Elseworlds part 3, or the Justice League movie seem like minor hiccups by comparison, and needless to say, that's not good.