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I think it's a real serious mistake to watch Enterprise (the LAST series) first, but I guess it's too late now.

Why do you think that?

Because, despite being set before all the other series, so much of the show references things that happened in the other series with little winks and rib-nudges. A newbie won't get the references, may be confused by them, and will certainly have their perceptions of the other series colored by them.

How will a first-time viewer understand the point of the Ferengie episode? The Borg episode (which is a sequel to First Contact)? The references to Sarek? How will they understand the way Vulcans behave in the other series, which is totally different than their behavior in Ent? How will a new viewer react to the 40-year-old effects and acting in TOS, and the myriad continuity gaffs that Enterprise in relation to it (i.e. why are Kirk and Spock surprise Romulans can cloak?)?

And what in the world will someone who's never seen TNG make of the finale episode of Enterprise, which depends on having seen a specific TNG ep?

The show was not meant to be watched first!

EDIT: Note that I wrote this before reading page 2. :vulcan:
But it's still my feeling.
 
^He knows that. His whole family is full of Trekkers, his uncle provided a chronological list of all shows BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. I applaud his efforts.
Since he is still having account difficulties that haven't been resolved, here are his latest reviews. I have in no way tried to influence his reviews. I merely post what he sends me in MS Word document form (I did encourage him to write them in Word & let me post):

STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE DISC #4

Dear Doctor
(*****/*****) – This was certainly John Billingsley’s coming out party. He was Emmy-worthy here. My family described Star Trek as essentially a vehicle for stories about humanity and the morality of us all. This was the first episode that I have seen that truly represented that description. The idea of two races developing on a planet is incredibly captivating. This is the best episode of Enterprise I have seen to this point – and it is not close

Sleeping Dogs
(**/*****) – Blah. I still really like the Klingons and the mentality they represent, but this was basically a paint by numbers haunted house story. The actors were strong and I especially liked the scene depicting T’Pol attempting to teach Hoshi to calm her nerves. Jolene Blalock was especially strong here. She’s really starting to grow on me over time.

Shadows of P’Jem
(***/*****) – It was nice to see some continuity connections “The Andorian Incident” as well, as T’Pol is recalled because of her actions in that episode. Scott Bakula and Jolene Blalock were really good together here. Their chemistry has slowly but surely evolved very nicely. I loved seeing the Andorians and Commander Shran again, but in a sense I felt like Shran was kind of thrown in. He didn’t serve a true purpose. I didn’t quite buy the “I can’t sleep, so I owe you something” reasoning.

Shuttlepod One
(*****/*****) – I didn’t expect to see this from a Star Trek episode at all. Two guys facing their own mortality with only each other to confide in. Again, Connor Trinneer proves why he is the strength and backbone of this show early on. Dominic Keating was also stellar here. These two actors work exceptionally well together and I hope to see them together often. By far, the most revealing and interesting character episode thus far. It gives “Dear Doctor” a run for its money as the best episode I’ve seen.

STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE DISC #5


Fusion
(***/*****) – A nice idea, not effectively put together. The idea of rogue Vulcans that embrace emotions struck me as interesting right away, and I also bought T’Pol’s subtle but resistant interest in them. T’Pol’s interest in emotions has been apparent since day one. Why else would she have accepted a long-term assignment on a ship of humans? However, I hated the heavy-handed story about the Vulcan who refuses to speak with his father. It didn’t add much, and it struck me as merely an attempt to pull at heart strings.

Rogue Planet
(*/*****) – This was a remarkably dull episode that (I guess) tried to talk about the immorality of hunting intelligent, living creatures. I know the planet was “rogue” and unlit by a star, but I hated the lighting. The planet was unconvincing and looked a little too much like a soundstage for my liking. The guest stars were unremarkable and brought nothing to the table. Scott Bakula was phoning it in as well, which I haven’t been able to say, until now.

Acquisition
(**/*****) – Connor Trinneer and his underwear do their best to carry this one, but there isn’t really much to talk about here. Aliens board the ship, put everyone to sleep and try to steal everything (including some female crewmembers). Tucker wakes up Archer and T’Pol and they able to get rid of the aliens with nothing lost. The aliens were cool looking and I liked their unbelievably greedy and sexist traits, however. Unlike many of the previous races the crew has encountered, I probably won’t forget about these guys.

Oasis
(***/*****) – Unremarkable, but solid effort. About halfway through this episode it really struck me that the entire main cast has really grown on me. I legitimately like all of these characters. The fact that almost the entire crew was an illusion was a twist that I can’t claim I saw coming. I loved the scene with T’Pol discussing Commander Tucker’s “previous repair experience” with him. They are really strong together as well. A lot of nice pairings are developing over the course of the season. Archer/T’Pol, Archer/Tucker, T’Pol/Tucker and Tucker/Reed are all really good.

STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE DISC #6


Detained(****/*****) – Nice action, adventure story. This was Anthony Montgomery’s best performance thus far as well. He’s within his element, sharing the spotlight was Bakula and he does a nice job. It was good for them to add another dimension to the Suliban. I’ve always like Dean Stockwell and he provided a really substantial and quality villain.

Vox Sola
(***/*****) – Not really sure how I feel about this one quite yet. I like the character development for Hoshi and to a lesser degree T’Pol, but I didn’t really get sucked into the Archer/Tucker storyline. On the other hand, I did like the debate Phlox and Reed were having about how to handle the creature. The dialogue about the point of being penalized in water-polo also deserves special mentioning; definitely the worst exchange of dialogue so far… it did make me laugh though.

Fallen Hero
(****/*****) – Very nice work by Jolene Blalock and Fionnula Flanagan. It doesn’t really stand out as anything spectacular to the level of “Dear Doctor”, “Shuttlepod One” and “Broken Bow”, but it’s a very entertaining and compelling hour. The chase sequence pushing the Enterprise right to the edge was really well put-together and executed. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Fionnula Flanagan character again at all.

Desert Crossing
(****/*****) – Very nice to see the crew in a different, unique setting. I really like it when they effectively convey that nothing is as it seems in deep space. Situations are complicated and always offer more then immediately meets the eye. Clancy Brown is another great guest star that really brings a lot to the table. I like the running idea that Archer has to often decide who he is able to offer extensive help to and who he has to say no to. It offers a lot of complexity and stress to his mission.
 
I have re-registered with this username due to the issues I was having with my original account. I would like to publicly thank Sector 7 for all of his help while I was unable to post. It was very much appreciated.

I will have reviews for Two Days and Two Nights and Shockwave up tomorrow evening. Once finished with season one, I'm going to take a break for a few days and most likely start season two Thursday evening. I should have reviews up for discs 1 and 2 for season two very late Thursday evening or Friday afternoon.

Again, I'd like to thank everyone for their interest in my opinions and for keeping this thread going so far. All of you guys have made me feel very welcome here.
 

Acquisition
(**/*****) – Connor Trinneer and his underwear do their best to carry this one, but there isn’t really much to talk about here. Aliens board the ship, put everyone to sleep and try to steal everything (including some female crewmembers). Tucker wakes up Archer and T’Pol and they able to get rid of the aliens with nothing lost. The aliens were cool looking and I liked their unbelievably greedy and sexist traits, however. Unlike many of the previous races the crew has encountered, I probably won’t forget about these guys.
It's really great to hear your thoughts on Trek from the perspective of a complete newcomer, especially watching it in chronological order, which I've never even considered. This review in particular is excellent in that regard. You haven't seen the last of those big-eared aliens. :D
 

Acquisition
(**/*****) – Connor Trinneer and his underwear do their best to carry this one, but there isn’t really much to talk about here. Aliens board the ship, put everyone to sleep and try to steal everything (including some female crewmembers). Tucker wakes up Archer and T’Pol and they able to get rid of the aliens with nothing lost. The aliens were cool looking and I liked their unbelievably greedy and sexist traits, however. Unlike many of the previous races the crew has encountered, I probably won’t forget about these guys.
It's really great to hear your thoughts on Trek from the perspective of a complete newcomer, especially watching it in chronological order, which I've never even considered. This review in particular is excellent in that regard. You haven't seen the last of those big-eared aliens. :D

Yeah. The comments are really hilarious, but in a good way. Be interesting to see what happens when he hits...well, I won't say... :lol:
 

Acquisition
(**/*****) – Connor Trinneer and his underwear do their best to carry this one, but there isn’t really much to talk about here. Aliens board the ship, put everyone to sleep and try to steal everything (including some female crewmembers). Tucker wakes up Archer and T’Pol and they able to get rid of the aliens with nothing lost. The aliens were cool looking and I liked their unbelievably greedy and sexist traits, however. Unlike many of the previous races the crew has encountered, I probably won’t forget about these guys.
It's really great to hear your thoughts on Trek from the perspective of a complete newcomer, especially watching it in chronological order, which I've never even considered. This review in particular is excellent in that regard. You haven't seen the last of those big-eared aliens. :D

Yeah. The comments are really hilarious, but in a good way. Be interesting to see what happens when he hits...well, I won't say... :lol:
Maybe -- like me -- he'll think it's a good episode. Mostly. ;)
 
^ I thought "Acquisition" was entertaining, but I think Gep was referring to an episode which comes a bit later.
 
My original account is back up and working! Thank you T'Bonz for getting me back up and running again!

STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE Disc #7

Two Days and Two Nights (***/*****) - This was a pretty entertaining hour. I enjoyed seeing the crews outside their daily routine. Connor Trinneer and Dominic Keating prove once again that they are a great when paired together. Their storyline was by far the most memorable and entertaining. Scott Bakula was also really strong, and I loved that the Tandarins are still trying to squeeze information out of Captain Archer. I wasn't a fan of the groggy Doctor Phlox ... it felt forced and overdone.

Shockwave (*****/*****) - Excellent season ender. I loved the direction the writers went in here; forcing Captain Archer to reflect on the decisions he has made over the past season. I continue to enjoy the Temporal Cold War storyline as well. It is innovative and brings a cinematic feel to the show. I was really suprised (and pleased) to see Daniels return from the dead. I'm very interested to see how they get their way out of this cliffhanger.


Here's how I would rank the episodes of season one:
  1. Dear Doctor
  2. Shuttlepod One
  3. Broken Bow
  4. Shockwave
  5. The Andorian Incident
  6. Cold Front
  7. Fallen Hero
  8. Detained
  9. Silent Enemy
  10. Breaking the Ice
  11. Desert Crossing
  12. Strange New World
  13. Shadows of P'Jem
  14. Two Days and Two Nights
  15. Fight or Flight
    [*]Oasis
  16. Unexpected
    [*]Vox Sola
  17. Fusion
  18. Fortunate Son
  19. Civilization
  20. Acquisition
  21. Sleeping Dogs
  22. Terra Prime
  23. Rogue Planet
I will be posting reviews from the first two discs of season two most likely very late on Thursday evening. So far, I have completely enjoyed this! Let me know what you guys think...
 
^ I thought "Acquisition" was entertaining, but I think Gep was referring to an episode which comes a bit later.

Later on ENT or later on TNG, when the...well, you know, come back/are introduced? Because I meant TNG.

But the one you were referring to works too. :lol:
 
I'm glad you're enjoying ENT, TrekFan2Be. My list of episodes would probably look different, but I agree that "Dear Doctor" is a great episode. I, too, liked "Shockwave" but I'm afraid to say that I wan't thrilled by the resolution. All in all, ENT's first season was quite good. The second season might feel a bit slow in places but stick with it because the last two seasons are pretty great.
Your perspective is very refreshing and it's very interesting to hear about how it's like if you're introduced to the Klingons with "Broken Bow" and not with some TOS episode.
Concerning "Acquisition": It is a pretty juvenile episode. The aliens will reappear, though. You'll probably llike DS9... ;)
 
Having looked over my ratings for the episodes in more detail, here are some simple facts:

First off my ratings key:
***** = Outstanding hour of television.
**** = Very good, but not perfect
*** = Nothing groundbreaking, but quite entertaining
** = Average and unremarkable
* = Subpar hour of television

I awarded six episodes *****/***** (Broken Bow, The Andorian Incident, Cold Front, Dear Doctor, Shuttlepod One, Shockwave)

Five episodes were awarded ****/***** (Breaking the Ice, Silent Enemy, Detained, Fallen Hero, Desert Crossing)

I gave nine episodes ***/***** (Fight or Flight, Strange New World, Unexpected, Fortunate Son, Shadows of P'Jem, Fusion, Oasis, Vox Sola, Two Days and Two Nights)

Three episodes recieved **/***** (Civilization, Sleeping Dogs, Acquisition)

Finally, only two episodes recieved */***** (Terra Nova, Rogue Planet)

This would give season one of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE an average rating of 3.4 stars. Not bad at all.

I'd really like to see how you guys felt about these episodes. I'm really curious to see what ratings you would award them. I'm also quite intersted in how this season was recieved by you personally, as well as the consenus here when it aired.
 
Well, it's been a while since I last watched ENT's first season so I can't really give a detailed rating. Overall, I mostly agree with you. I would, however, give all the episodes in the last two categories 3 stars with the exception of "Acquisition", which would only receive 1 star from me. I would also rate Broken Bow a liitle less highly. The season average rating would be a bit better, I guess. This is how I saw the season when I originally watched it. I really liked the characters from the start and felt the stories to be quite good, especially since I think that all the other new Trek series started off weaker than that.
However, having expereinced the awesomeness of Doctor Who in the meantime, I'm not sure how I would rate it, were I to watch it now for the first time. But that's more of a philosophical discussion, I think.
You don't really want to hear about the consensus about ENT here when it first aired, believe me... ;)
 
If setting out to watch all of Trek, I personally would choose airdate order, not stardate order. There's a lot in Enterprise that is meant to be seen as a nod to what went before (later, chronologically). It doesn't work so well in reverse.

Although, by watching it in stardate order, you'll miss the mistakes and continuity blunders they made. It may actually make Enterprise more watchable. Just don't come in here when watching TOS or TNG and say they made a mistake about something because Enterprise clearly established something else, lol.
 
I'm glad you got your account fixed. I still envy you watching it all with a fresh perspective. :drool: I don't know that anyone else here watched ENT without having seen other Trek first. You may be making history! It also makes you the only person I know who can judge ENT without the bias of having watched other Trek. Since you are not comparing it to anything, it is a totally new view.

Keep up the good work! :vulcan:
 
You may be making history! It also makes you the only person I know who can judge ENT without the bias of having watched other Trek. Since you are not comparing it to anything, it is a totally new view.

Yeah, that really is amazing.
 
Welcome, TrekFan2Be! I'd be most interested in hearing your thoughts about TOS, which is the one that started it all. So see you in a few weeks, when you start watching season one of TOS.

Now, I'm not a big fan of ENT, but there are some I really liked, such as The Andorian Incident. To give you a little background, the Andorians were introduced in TOS, but only made minor appearances in TOS, then they weren't really examined in almost all the other series. So this is one area ENT excelled at, giving us more info about the Andorians, who I always liked. :bolian:

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