Read it all long ago, kid.
New Voyages-"World Enough"
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Read it all long ago, kid.
I've never heard of a sci fi fan who doesn't know Bradbury, please tell me your very young at least.
I just watched it and -- to paraphrase my thank you note to the person who sent me the link -- as much as I've enjoyed previous ST:NV ep's and Exeter and all the rest, this was the first episode that left me feeling like I did when I was 11 years old and discovering Star Trek (no bloody TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT) in repeates, but new to me. I was completely rapt.
I loved the effects, don't get me wrong, I loved the effects. But, to me, this episode was all about the characters and the acting. Yes, I understand some people's complaints that (most) of these people aren't professional actors. But, damn it, that's the point. The people are fans!!! And, I'm sorry, but I've seen steady improvement in the acting with every episode. And they were all the best yet in this, in my opinion. If you watch closely, you will see that all the actors portraying primary characters -- ALL OF THEM, without exception -- have clearly studied for their parts. ALL OF THEM have adopted subtle mannerisms and nuances that are clearly designed to be reminiscent of the original actors' portrayal of the character. And personally, I am damn impressed with the effort.
And I have to agree with Ah Forgive (have I said before how much I love that username, btw?), this was seriously Mr. Takei's finest hour as Sulu. As for his and Ms. Whitney's stiffness in the Excelsior bridge scenes (which I noticed as well), I can't help but suspect that had something to do with acting in front of a green screen. Because, Mr. Takei's acting (with real people) in the rest of the episode was wonderful.
And I promise, I'm not normally just a gusher, but I really thought this was a wonderful episode and that everyone did an absolutely phenomenal job with it. I can't wait to see it again.
Thanks New Voyager crew (and to my benefactor who sent the link.) :thumbsup:
Who you calling kid, you young whippersnapper? I think I'll hit you over the head with my crutch...just as soon as I remember where I put it...damn everything starts to go as soon you start pulling, instead of pusing 50....
And don't worry Dennis, any hint that I was addressing those particular comments at you in any way shape or form is strictly unintentional!
According to the NV forums the Excelsior bridge was mostly a real set with some CG touches, and amazingly the status board on the back wall is an original set piece from Generations with the Enterprise-B name and registry blacked out.
These Excelsior bridge scenes are very brief, but I found them more relaxed and playful than anything in TUC and VOY "Flashback" so I'd say this is the least-stiff Sulu/Rand rapport to date. Takei and Whitney really haven't had a lot of screen time to develop their captain/first officer chemistry (it didn't help that "Flashback" was, wastefully, a recreation of TUC and so failed to cover new ground). In 16 years we've still never seen Takei do a full show as Captain Sulu so strangely it still seem like a novelty. Taking all of NV into account we've seen hours more Elvis Kirk than Captain Sulu!
Step 1:
Weat is back on an OFFICIAL Torrent.
http://newvoyages.blogsite.org
New Voyages has arranged with the operators of the above website to be the EXCLUSIVE AUTHORIZED torrent for the distribution of this episode. Hooray
NV encourages ALL dial up and low-speed internet connection fans to use this site to access torrent downloads. Downloads from http://newvoyages.blogsite.org best serve New Voyages interests. Wise Owl
Effective 12:30 AM EDT 28-August-2007
Gary
Weat is back on an OFFICIAL Torrent.
http://newvoyages.blogsite.org
New Voyages has arranged with the operators of the above website to be the EXCLUSIVE AUTHORIZED torrent for the distribution of this episode. Hooray
NV encourages ALL dial up and low-speed internet connection fans to use this site to access torrent downloads. Downloads from http://newvoyages.blogsite.org best serve New Voyages interests. Wise Owl
Effective 12:30 AM EDT 28-August-2007
Gary
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Amaris
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Wow. I just finished the episode. I have to say that I cried like a little baby at the end. This was such a well done production. Truthfully, in my mind New Voyages has stepped up the game and has delivered a powerful and moving episode, bringing their skill and deft touch to a whole new level. I can say without hesitation that if this type of production were on the big screen, I would gladly part with my hard earned $8.00 to see it again and again. Wonderful, heartbreaking, soul moving performances by all.
Well done, New Voyages team. I am impressed!
-J.
Well done, New Voyages team. I am impressed!
-J.
Wow, really? I wasn't aware of that. There were just so many times that the shot chosen -- especially of Sulu -- seemed to show that "green screen line" around him, that it seemed to me the reverse was the case. Interesting. Well, just one more reason to look forward to rewatching.
Oh yeah, I guess I neglected to mention above that I got more than a little misty-eyed there, myself. And, that's another thing I thought that was done so well in this episode. And again, don't get me wrong, I'm a TOS forever kinda guy, but can't ever remember a TOS ep having that effect on me.
Again, very well done, all! :thumbsup:
Cool. Thanks.
The Excelsior set was a real set, but since it was done in LA, rather than Port Henry, only the portions needed were constructed. The sets in Port Henry are gorgeous and look like the real thing -- the inside of a Starship -- but they are intended to be used over and over. The set in LA was constructed only for that shooting and torn down later. It was actually interesting to see the makeshift stuff used because there was no time or money to get all the real stuff. But in its way, it was just as impressive.
At the time, I was told that the screen behind Sulu depicting the cross-section of the ship was the real one used in the Excelsior, so I was surprised when someone here said it was from somewhere else. We were all awed to have it and it came from a private collection from someone who worked on Star Trek. It was guarded like gold. It was only mounted right before it was used in the shots and then taken down immediately and returned to owner so we wouldn't inadvertently damage it.
The green screen stuff done in LA was mostly the shuttlecraft interiors between John Lim's Sulu and Lia Johnson's Chandris.
Grace Lee had us all in stitches on set between takes. She is a very rauchy lady and it was great fun.
At the time, I was told that the screen behind Sulu depicting the cross-section of the ship was the real one used in the Excelsior, so I was surprised when someone here said it was from somewhere else. We were all awed to have it and it came from a private collection from someone who worked on Star Trek. It was guarded like gold. It was only mounted right before it was used in the shots and then taken down immediately and returned to owner so we wouldn't inadvertently damage it.
The green screen stuff done in LA was mostly the shuttlecraft interiors between John Lim's Sulu and Lia Johnson's Chandris.
Grace Lee had us all in stitches on set between takes. She is a very rauchy lady and it was great fun.
This was the MSD screen used for the 'real' Excelsior bridge.
The MSD screen in WEAT definately appears to be this one used on the Enterprise-B in Generations.
The MSD screen in WEAT definately appears to be this one used on the Enterprise-B in Generations.
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So it got damaged at some point and was replaced by an updated
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I think the reason some may think the Excelsior set was green screened is the lighting. It is just much much brighter than what would normally be seen in a film. Making those scenes look flat looking.
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I think the reason some may think the Excelsior set was green screened is the lighting. It is just much much brighter than what would normally be seen in a film. Making those scenes look flat looking.
Yes, my apologies to all for my assumption. There were just a couple of shots -- of Sulu in particular -- where there seemed to be a bit of a "halo" around his head, that I've come to associate with some green screen work (that must've been related to the lighting.) I'm even more impressed than before, now, knowing that the set was actually built (well, the necessary parts of it, at least.)
And, now that I was able to download it from the official site, I'm really looking forward to watching again (and again, and again, and again ....)
Not to distract from the technical discussions...but wow, what a script.
And frankly, another leap forward in production values and acting. Aside from a couple of rocky handheld shots (made more obvious because of quick cuts back and forth to stable shots) this was certainly a network TV quality production.
CBS needs to hire the lot you and let you produce four of these a year and anchor their "original to 'Net" video efforts. A handful of commercials would pay the staff and put a nice bit of profit in their pockets.
But again, I certainly enjoyed and was impressed with the previous episode — and have watched the growth progression from the beginning — but this is arguably among the 10 best episodes of Trek ever produced.
And frankly, another leap forward in production values and acting. Aside from a couple of rocky handheld shots (made more obvious because of quick cuts back and forth to stable shots) this was certainly a network TV quality production.
CBS needs to hire the lot you and let you produce four of these a year and anchor their "original to 'Net" video efforts. A handful of commercials would pay the staff and put a nice bit of profit in their pockets.
But again, I certainly enjoyed and was impressed with the previous episode — and have watched the growth progression from the beginning — but this is arguably among the 10 best episodes of Trek ever produced.
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