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I've watched The Next Doctor and Planet Of The Dead. Neither were all that great. Obviously I'm going to watch the next three but it feels like overkill. I get the Christmas special but were all these other specials really necessary? Couldn't they have just done The Next Doctor and The End Of Time two-parter? Was there a reason for the excess solo adventures?

The alternative would have been a year without any Doctor Who. The specials were no worse than regular episodes, maybe a bit bigger in scope in terms of set pieces and stuff.
Waters of Mars is important though, because that one shows the consequences of the Doctor traveling alone for too long and gets him to where he is at the beginning of End of Time.

Anything more will spoiler you, so I'll wait till you saw them.
 
After 900 years on trenzelor, I doubt he remembers Donna or Martha.

JG, 1000's of people, crew and support staff, then distribution and beyond, would have lost their jobs, and probably their houses if Doctor Who shut down for a year. meanwhile the Beeb would have fired some one at the top of the food chain if their budget wasn't used (which is a massive accounting problem.) and they had no product to pass on to the world to generate new revenue. It's like a shark. Gotta keep moving, or it dies.

The actual obvious alternative to the specials, was regeneration, but they decided that a weird year with Tenant, was better than trying to break in some one new Doctor.
 
And then Tennant forced it on them anyway.

Martha, yeah, he's probably (mostly) forgotten her. Donna, never. He always remembers the ones he failed.
 
And then Tennant forced it on them anyway.

Martha, yeah, he's probably (mostly) forgotten her. Donna, never. He always remembers the ones he failed.

So I take it the "I don't want to go" line was more personal than just a bit of dialogue? Meaning that he (David Tennant) really didn't want to leave.

Yes I've seen Ten's regeneration, and Nine's thanks to YouTube.
 
What? What? What?

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

Someone didn't like Christina?

Well? I suppose it had to happen eventually.

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And then Tennant forced it on them anyway.

Martha, yeah, he's probably (mostly) forgotten her. Donna, never. He always remembers the ones he failed.

So I take it the "I don't want to go" line was more personal than just a bit of dialogue? Meaning that he (David Tennant) really didn't want to leave.

Yes I've seen Ten's regeneration, and Nine's thanks to YouTube.
You saw the 50th Anniversary Docudrama of the beginning of the show back in 1963, right? Really brought a tear to my eye when they used the line in that.

I'm not sure if it was personal for Tennant, but, it certainly adds to the legitimacy of the Regeneration that didn't change his face (Even though probably retroactively)
 
If they added the new modern sfx to Romana's regeneration sequence, it's going to look like (sound like?) she's leaving the room to fart over and over again.
 
So I take it the "I don't want to go" line was more personal than just a bit of dialogue? Meaning that he (David Tennant) really didn't want to leave.

It was. But at the same time RTD was handing the producer's job over to Moffat, the show was going HD (which required a new TARDIS console room), the character of Amy Pond was already being written into existence, and Tennant admitted that he realized if he didn't leave at that point, he never would. "They'd be prying the TARDIS key out of my old, dead hand."
 
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...but did they name her "Susan"?
 
20 people have been barking comforting facts at you for three months, maybe half of us have even said something relevant, but at some point in the future, either IRL or in some new thread, you are going to come face to face with a new Noob: Noob the Next Generation, and it will be your responsibility to do to them, what we have done to you.

Do you feel ready?
"Bite the pillow,I'm going in dry"? Yeah, she should be able to handle saying that. ;)
 
The End Of Time. So. Much. Melodrama.

I didn't like how he kept referring to regeneration as death. It isn't. It's a rebirth. Nine and Eleven welcomed the change, what was Ten's issue?

It was nice to see Wilf again and that he finally got to tag along for once:) Kind of sad to see Donna but at least she finally found someone, good for her!

I'm not big on The Master as a villain, the guy or Missy. I really think that 15 minutes could have been added on to Journey's End and he regenerated after dropping Donna off.

Overall I enjoyed a fair amount of episodes during Ten's era and my issues with him lie with the way he was written rather than David Tennant's portrayal.

I realize I am in the extreme minority, and I'm okay with it. I honestly thought I would love Ten, because he's so popular. I wanted to. But popularity does not always equal love.
 
Tennant's Doctor was around for only about three years a pretty short life. And really Smith's Doctor was an old man and yet complained about regenerating into an old man, for him though it was either regeneration or death. And I really don't think Eccleston's Doctor was looking forward to it, but then Eccleston himself really out of the role by that point.

The End Of Time for me was one of the better regeneration stories and Wilf really shone in it. And really Donna got a a happy ending so did so many of the Doctor's other companions thanks to him.
 
I hear that Waters Of Mars is really good. Any truth to that?

Best of a bad bunch in my opinion.

Yeah, the final Tennant specials were all kinda weak, IMO.

"The Next Doctor" starts out brilliant but kinda peters out once we learn Jackson Lake's identity.

"Planet of the Dead" is a solid story with some decent production values but doesn't really feel special enough to be a special.

"Waters of Mars" has a really scary monster but also some of Tennant's worst overacting. Plus, it spends the entire episode building up to the Doctor going dark, which only lasts for a few minutes before he realizes his mistake and repents.

The End Of Time. So. Much. Melodrama.

I didn't like how he kept referring to regeneration as death. It isn't. It's a rebirth. Nine and Eleven welcomed the change, what was Ten's issue?

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Overall I enjoyed a fair amount of episodes during Ten's era and my issues with him lie with the way he was written rather than David Tennant's portrayal.

I realize I am in the extreme minority, and I'm okay with it. I honestly thought I would love Ten, because he's so popular. I wanted to. But popularity does not always equal love.

Well, it's nice to find someone else who was as exasperated with Tennant's writing and his regeneration as I was.

I always felt like Tennant's mopey mood in "The End of Time" was bad form on RTD's part. It felt like he was salting the Earth for his successors, making it that much harder for the hardcore Tennant fans to accept any other Doctors. And it seems like that worked! I still know some fans that never totally accepted Smith and are still moping about wanting Tennant back almost 6 years later. (Granted it did take me about 2 years to get over Amy & Rory's departure and finally get used to Clara.)

A Texan and a Highland Scot would not be able to understand each other very well. I have witnessed that one, where a Califorian had to translate English to English.

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Both James Marsters and Alexis Denisof do a very good job. Marsters is a little too far, but when I hear his American voice it's wrong. I think Denisof nails it though.

Marsters was good although not always the most convincing. His accent started to fade during the final season of Angel.

Denisof was spot-on, possibly to his current annoyance. :p I met Denisof at the Phoenix ComicCon this year. I swear, every other sentence that anyone else ever said to him was, "I can't believe you're not really British." (BTW, I also met James Marsters back in 2010. If you ever have the opportunity to meet either Marsters or Denisof, please take advantage of it. They are 2 of the nicest, most charming people I've ever met. Denisof has a killer smile!)

But, for my money, the most shocking accent revelation for me was when I realized that Jamie Bamber (Apollo from Battlestar Galactica) isn't really American. :eek:

Colin, quite understandably, refused to come back to just shoot the season-opening regeneration scene (the firing had happened in between seasons). So his replacement, Sylvester McCoy, was forced to don Colin's (FAR too big on him) costume and a curly blond wig and be shot from the back lying on the floor of the TARDIS console room until he could be flipped over (with swirly regeneration fx hiding his face until the wig could be cross-faded out).

Which almost would have worked had they also used the swirly FX to hide the really bad join between the wig & McCoy's head.

But Mao gave him permission to use his first name. Of course the Doctor also knew Kublai Khan, Nero and Robespierre.

I guess I need to rewatch "The Reign of Terror." While I know Robespierre was in it, I don't recall him & the Doctor ever meeting.
 
See what I mean about the Smith/Capaldi regen being such a middle finger to Tennant's goodbye?

What was Ten's issue? Well, a few things. As DWF said, he really hadn't had that body/personality for too long and was pretty happy with it. Whether he realized he'd blown a regeneration in 'Journey's End' or not, he knew he was getting pretty close to the end of his twelve lives.

Another thing, I think, was that most of the other regens (and the circumstances causing them) came from out of nowhere. He couldn't avoid them, didn't have much of a chance to come to grips with it, barely had time to say goodbye (and sometimes not even that). But Ten... Ten had been given advance warning by the Ood. Like being told you've got terminal cancer, we don't know exactly how long you've got left (but it won't be long), and you won't feel a thing until the very end. That kind of knowledge can really mess with your mind.

There were actually four takes of that last 'I don't want to go' scene done, with Tennant growing increasingly distraught with each take. Take 3 was the one used in the episode - take 4, with Tennant outright breaking down in grief, was judged 'too grim.'
 
^^Yet according to teh Confidential it was Tennant who actaully decided which version to use.
 
I always felt like Tennant's mopey mood in "The End of Time" was bad form on RTD's part. It felt like he was salting the Earth for his successors, making it that much harder for the hardcore Tennant fans to accept any other Doctors. And it seems like that worked! I still know some fans that never totally accepted Smith and are still moping about wanting Tennant back almost 6 years later. (Granted it did take me about 2 years to get over Amy & Rory's departure and finally get used to Clara.)

Oddly, despite that potential setup, Matt Smith sold it immediately on regeneration with his quirkiness. Followed (several months later) with fish fingers and custard, and capping off with "Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically. Run."
 
Personally I never could get into Smith's Doctor and really The Day Of The Doctor showed how similar his and Tennant's Doctor are. It's been far easier to get into Capaldi's Doctor than Smith's for me.
 
Oddly, despite that potential setup, Matt Smith sold it immediately on regeneration with his quirkiness. Followed (several months later) with fish fingers and custard, and capping off with "Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically. Run."

^ Agreed. That was the strongest start for a new Doctor since Tom Baker, and a good part of why I rank him right up there with Tom at the top.
 
I liked The End of Time, and The Doctor's problem made sense to me. Sure, he may survive, but he'll never be the man he was at that moment ever again. A part of him was dying, and he didn't like it. As we saw with the meta crisis regeneration, the 10th Doctor had a hard time letting go.

Besides, its not like The Doctor is generally chipper as he's dying. The 7th Doctor's inner thoughts as he died of medical malpractice would probably have been traumatizing to hear :eek: Its the new face that's usually happier about having arrived. Outside of maybe Nine, who was a bit unconcerned about it, and The War Doctor who was just tired, The Doctor has never seemed excited over the prospect of changing faces. The 10th Doctor just had a harder time leaving than the other incarnations, that we know of at least. I imagine the 2nd Doctor wasn't too thrilled with regenerating either, although with Season 6B being a possibility he might have regenerated in a relatively less abrupt and traumatic way than what the show implied at the time.
 
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