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I'd rate Jenna Colman higher than a 4 in California. The only downside I'm seeing is she'd be a little short for me to dance with.
 
I guess compared to the earlier Doctors, Nine is okay.

Regionally specific attractiveness. Never heard of that.

Hot in Cleveland.

3 somewhat attractive 40 (cough!) something women are forced to land in Cleveland because of mechanical difficulties on their Paris bound intercontinental excursion.

Waiting for a new connecting flight, these three dowdy Californians enter a bar in Cleveland only to find that every man in the place can't take their eyes off them. It doesn't quite make sense, but they are the most beautiful women in Cleveland.

The thought of going back to Los Angeles where they are thought of as haggard, reviled crones is unthinkable, so these older stars from popular TV shows in the 70s, 80s and very early 90s decide to stay in this backwater one horse town where every man is smitten by these Los Angelite Sixes as if they were 10s, because they are HOT IN CLEVELAND, and not Hot in LA.
 
I've seen a few episodes. Betty White is hilarious:) I still think that rating system is too confusing. I prefer using "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
 
I hated how they made Clara uneasy with the regeneration the first time I watched Deep Breath. She'd seen all the Doctors...what was her problem? It seemed like a forced plot point. But when I saw the episode a 2nd time, it made sense.

"Why's [his face] got lines on it? He only just got it. It's brand new," she says. The man who she admitted she fell in love with multiple times a day was suddenly not her young, dashing guy but an old man. A strange old man who didn't recognize her. Who wasn't affectionate like before. Putting myself in her place, it would throw me for a loop too. Her world was turned upside down.
 
I hated how they made Clara uneasy with the regeneration the first time I watched Deep Breath. She'd seen all the Doctors...what was her problem? It seemed like a forced plot point. But when I saw the episode a 2nd time, it made sense.

"Why's [his face] got lines on it? He only just got it. It's brand new," she says. The man who she admitted she fell in love with multiple times a day was suddenly not her young, dashing guy but an old man. A strange old man who didn't recognize her. Who wasn't affectionate like before. Putting myself in her place, it would throw me for a loop too. Her world was turned upside down.


Well it's not just his looks that change during a regeneration his personality does to a degree as well, not to mention the Doctor does seem to have a habit of suffering from post-regeneration trauma. So Clara's reaction seemed perfectly plausible.
 
When Capaldi was announced as Twelve, many talked (some jokingly, some not) about how the legions of fangirls who'd gotten hooked on the three young, handsome, hunky Doctors the new series had presented would rage, cry and quit the show in a huff now that the Doctor was (again) a cranky old man.

Ah, but that's a clever part of Time of the Doctor. They just spent the whole Christmas special getting you used to the idea of an aged Doctor by aging the Doctor you were used to. Then you wouldn't be so shocked when the new old Doctor came along.

The phone call from Eleven to Clara - I wasn't completely happy with it, but I could see what they were going for. Clara was very much the audience surrogate in that moment (as the companion always is anyway), and so for the previous Doctor to tell her "It's okay to like the new Doctor, he needs you to" is basically their way of saying that to the audience as well. But I did rather feel like it was a bit insulting to Capaldi, as if to say he couldn't handle it on his own without Smith showing up to lend a hand.

Although the last phone call between Eleven and Clara does then become more important when it is reflected in "Death in Heaven" by a revelation about the first phone call between Eleven and Clara, with another cameo by Smith.


I watched Inside A Dalek so I've met Danny Pink. Um, no. They so don't look like a potential couple. Also, bad Clara! No need to get slap-happy.

Part of the importance of "Into the Dalek" is its placement. Twelve is kind of a 'back to the beginning' Doctor. Pointedly minimalist, a whole new set of regenerations, a really new start. And that is reflected in the stories. He explains in this episode how only his second on-screen adventure introduced him to the Daleks (in the company of school teachers from Coal Hill btw) and that that experience helped to define him - the Doctor is not the Daleks.

At the beginning of this new life, he is also seeking to define himself, and so he meets the Daleks again in his second adventure. He meets a 'good' Dalek. And if he is everything that the Daleks are not, then what does that make him? "Am I a good man, Clara?" "I don't know."

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Janeway's Girl, it's obvious from the discussion you're currently focusing upon the revival series, material produced since 2005. Should you ever decide to sample the "original" series, episodes produced from 1963 through 1989, you might want to keep the following in mind.

It was a very differently structured series. I'm not claiming better...or even worse, just different. The "revival" series has consisted of "self contained" 45 minute episodes (not counting the commercial breaks in the American broadcasts) interspersed with the occasional 2 parter. Also, each season or "series" has had some sort of continuing "theme" linking them. In contrast, the "original" series consisted of (roughly) 22 minutes episodes, with anywhere from 2 to 13 episodes forming a single adventure, though the average was 4 to 6. Each of the episodes ended with a "Saturday matinee" type "cliff-hanger", either the Doctor and/or his companion(s) threatened with impending doom. The following episode would recap the climatic moments from the previous week revealing how they escpaed death. We still get a bit of this with the revival two-parters, but it happened every week in the original series except for the final episode of a particular story. Actually, during the first year or so of William Hartnell's tenure, even separate adventures bridged one another. The fourth broadcast which could be considered the conclusion of their first major adventure ended with a close-up of a radiation meter pointing into the danger zone as the characters left the confines of the TARDIS. Also, each episode had individual titles. By the time Patrick Troughton debuted, the production had gone to a "Title X Part 1", "Title X Part 2" and so on.

Keep in mind the majority of these broadcasts were produced in an era before domestic video recording and playback devices were affordable or even existed. As such there was a fair amount of "recapping" points that happened in an earlier broadcast. When one could only see the series on a weekly basis, this was not really a problem, rather, it helped the viewers to remember important elements. But many fans tend to view all the episodes of a given story "back to back", and as such, the "recapping" may seem a bit repetitive. Please don't hold that aspect against the older series should you decide to watch them. To get a better feel for those who saw the series first hand, it would be logical to see each episode on a weekly basis. But I realize most people don't have the time to pace their viewing like that.

Finally, understand the original series did not focus as deeply upon character development, at least not the Doctor (obviously to maintain his element of mystery), nor his companions, at least to the degree depicted since 2005. the companion was, in effect, a stand-in for the viewers, asking the questions the audience might. This would allow the Doctor to provide exposition as they fled one danger after another. Those who did "evolve" were usually the "guest" charcaters for a specific story. They were the ones who experienced the life altering revelations. In that regard, the Doctor and his companions were simply the viewpoint through which we, as the audience, witnessed someone rise from a slave to a rebel leader or a pauper to a prince(ss). If a companion "evolved" it usually meant they would leave the Doctor by the end of that story. In relation to that, the Doctor was usually depicted as "asexual" in the original series. Whatever feelings he may have displayed for a companion was strictly "fatherly". For the companion, the Doctor was usually perceived as the "kindly old wizard", the "mentor" or the "eccentric, inventing uncle". No, I'm not claiming what has been depicted since 2005 (or, really, 1996 with McGann's Doctor and Grace Holliway) is "wrong". No, it simply reflects the goals of the respective productions.

In closing, I'll say this. If you decide to watch the "classic" episodes, you'll have material to keep you occupied for some time.

Sincerely,

Bill
 
Ivsxy808, I understand that, regarding the episode. But she didn't need to slap him. It's not like he knew exactly what would happen if they were able to "fix" the Dalek.
 
I am under the impression this might be her first time really interacting with the Daleks. She's encountered them before, but only briefly in Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor. She doesn't quite remember being a Dalek as Oswin Oswald.
 
Yeah you're right. You know, I think back when the Doctor met modern Clara, he should have given her a short introduction on some of the villains. Like "Oh btw, I have a few deadly enemies we might encounter. Just so you don't completely freak out."

One thing I'm not liking about season 8: the opening credits. They make me dizzy. There's too much going on.
 
Yeah you're right. You know, I think back when the Doctor met modern Clara, he should have given her a short introduction on some of the villains. Like "Oh btw, I have a few deadly enemies we might encounter. Just so you don't completely freak out."

One thing I'm not liking about season 8: the opening credits. They make me dizzy. There's too much going on.

You'll get used to it. Did you know that the title sequence is based on a fan made version suggested to the producers?

Here is the fan original. Some aspects of it I like better, some work better streamlined in the official version.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXOBHnWiinY[/yt]
 
Previous credits were showing the continuing ecological collapse of the unmaintained/unserviced Gallifreyan eroding Timespace corridors... So? What the #### happened in season 8?
 
Oh and maybe I haven't had a good enough look at it but Twelve's sonic screwdriver doesn't appear to have changed much.
Yep, no change at all. Presumably it's still the same one, though there may be something I'm forgetting at the end of Matt Smith's time that means that maybe it must be a replacement: in the original run he occasionally loses it without ever visibly getting it back, yet has another with the same design in the next story (the most glaring one is Frontier in Space, where he could only have got it back if the Master picked up the Doctor's confiscated possessions and gave it all back to him off-screen).
Smith and Jones is the only time that the Sonic's clearly destroyed and immediately replaced by a dupe within the same episode; Eleventh Hour is the only time when we see him get a new one with a different design onscreen.
 
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