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New Spider-Man cartoon: Ultimate Spider-Man

Don't know why another one isn't in the works. Jeph Loeb is in charge of Marvel Animation and Live Action projects I believe, and he hasn't said anything about that. I believe any X-Men animated projects still fall under Fox's jurisdiction because of the rights.
 
Admiral_Young said:
I believe any X-Men animated projects still fall under Fox's jurisdiction because of the rights.
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Nope -- I checked IMDb's company credits page for the past three X-Men animated series, and not one of them had Fox involved as a production company (the FOX network aired the '90s animated series, but it was a Marvel/Saban production). So it seems that Fox only has feature rights to the property, not TV rights.
 
Thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed...then I have no idea why there isn't an X-Men animated series in development right now. Perhaps Loeb will announce something next month at SDCC. I know that I've been clamoring for one since Wolverine and the X-Men was cancelled. NO AOA :(
 
I'm just as upset as everyone is about the cancellation of Avengers: EMH, but you guys talking about a new X-Men series makes me think that it could be kinda fun if we had an X-Men, Avengers, and Spider-Man series that all took place in the same universe.
 
Hartzilla2007 said:
Admiral_Young said:
Sigh. Bendis is doing it again for the cartoon. Body switch time with Peter and Logan!!

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/brian-bendis-ultimate-spider-man-animated.html
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I am not liking the outfit Wolverine is in.
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That is actually my favorite of his "classic" costumes. The brown and tan is the one I read his solo series in the 80's with.

Bendis doing the switcharoo though is lame. A carryover from his Moon Knight series idea.
 
http://www.marveltvnews.com/2012/06...nd-did-he-just-mention-a-new-x-men-tv-series/

- Marvel knows how much fans hate the show. They know, that they messed up when they could have brought both kids and adults fans together, instead of focusing on the children. Regardless of what their PR BS makes it sound, the reason Ultimate Spider-man has been renewed for a second season, is that the network ordered the second season WAY before the series debut. The publicity stunt Marvel pulled by stating the show has been renewed by popular demand, is just a strategy to try and tell fans that people like this show maybe you should give it a second chance.

- Ratings for the show are not good. He then gave me the following example: If you have 10 people watching a channel, then you introduce a new show, and instantly 200 are watching, but after 2 weeks the number goes down to 60 you still have bad ratings drop, yet its way better than the original 10 they had before the show. Agent X wants you to look at that statement carefully and you will know the “TRUE” meaning of Marvel ratings PR stunt.

- Chances are more than high that Ultimate Spider-man will conclude after season 2. There will be some minor changes to the show during its 2013 season (a bit less in your face humor, a tiny bit more drama, and less scripts from “man of action” while more from Bendis and Dini). If by chance, the fans embrace the show in its second season it will be renewed, otherwise a new Spider-man show will replace it. Early talk about a series in the same tone as the upcoming movie reboot have been discussed, but nothing more than just that: discussion. Agent X also still urges the fans to show their disapproval of the show, since Marvel is listening, although it takes months and years for the company to answer the cries.
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So don't get too attached to some of season two's changes.
 
I'm surprised by the news about how the show is doing. I mean, there's always a contingent of fans who hate anything new. And while I don't love USM, it has a number of things going for it. The animation and design are excellent. I like most of the teammates, especially Ana/White Tiger (though I don't care for Nova). There are some good cast members, like Chi McBride, Greg Cipes, J.K. Simmons, Clark Gregg, and the wonderful Tara Strong as MJ. And while the humor is a bit overdone, some of it is funny, and I kind of like the idea of interpreting Spidey's constant, wisecracking inner monologue in a more visual way by adding sight gags and fourth-wall-breaking asides. I think this could be a pretty good show if they just shift the emphasis and add more depth. Hopefully the second-season changes will earn the show more approval and a longer life. I'd rather they stuck with one Spidey show until they got it right rather than discarding another one after a truncated run.

Although the author of that article is so caught up in hatemongering that I don't trust its objectivity or accuracy. Since when have networks or studios cared so much about "hardcore fan backlash?" Comics readership is typically in the thousands or tens of thousands, while TV viewership is in the millions. Generally the hardcore fanbase is too small to have a statistically significant impact on a show's ratings, which is why most TV or film adaptations are directed toward a general audience rather than pandering to the pre-existing fans.


From the article:
- Panther and Antman will join the cast later and a possible Ms Marvel inclusion is also on the table.
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Really, Marvel? You've already decided to throw in all these additional male characters, but including a second woman, even one of the most important female characters in comics right now and one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel Universe, is only a "possible?"
 
JD said:
I'm just as upset as everyone is about the cancellation of Avengers: EMH, but you guys talking about a new X-Men series makes me think that it could be kinda fun if we had an X-Men, Avengers, and Spider-Man series that all took place in the same universe.
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Can't speak to Spider-Man, but Wolverine and the X-Men and Avengers:EMH took place in the same universe per the writers. The two Hulk vs shorts also take place in that universe.
 
Christopher said:
Comics readership is typically in the thousands or tens of thousands, while TV viewership is in the millions. Generally the hardcore fanbase is too small to have a statistically significant impact on a show's ratings, which is why most TV or film adaptations are directed toward a general audience rather than pandering to the pre-existing fans.
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Within the last 15 years it was in the 100s of 1000s. In the 90s, top books routinely sold 200k+ copies a month, and truly big titles (such as X-Men) broke the 1 million mark for a single issue.

I don't understand why people who claim to like superhero shows hate so much on fans of the actual comics w/o which they wouldn't have those superheroes to be fans of to begin with.


From the article:
- Panther and Antman will join the cast later and a possible Ms Marvel inclusion is also on the table.
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Really, Marvel? You've already decided to throw in all these additional male characters, but including a second woman, even one of the most important female characters in comics right now and one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel Universe, is only a "possible?"[/QUOTE]

"Female characters don't 'sell'" according to conventional wisdom in the front offices of BOTH of the Big Two. That's why excellent books like Spider-Girl and Ms Marvel get canned even if they are still profitable.

There is no commitment any more by the companies to title diversity...it's all about what the focus group says "sells".

And Bendis is a self-important jackanape of the worst sort...he can't seem to grasp the concept of "all ages" writing...either writing over-the-top graphic material kids should not be reading, or juvenile pablum fluff the older readers do not want to read.

ETA: that last bit is in response to Bendis' bilge being spouted here ( http://www.newsarama.com/tv/brian-bendis-ultimate-spider-man-animated.html ). Sorry about the confusion.
 
Ian Keldon said:
I don't understand why people who claim to like superhero shows hate so much on fans of the actual comics w/o which they wouldn't have those superheroes to be fans of to begin with.
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I'm not "hating on" anything, simply pointing out some statistics. The facts are the facts regardless of how you feel about them, so pointing out the facts shouldn't be assumed to have some emotional bias or agenda behind it. I'm not saying there's anything bad about the core fanbase of comics, I'm just saying they're outnumbered by the general TV viewing audience and thus can't be expected to be the exclusive target audience of a TV series. There's no value judgment there, just understanding the reality of the situation. (After all, I'm a member of core Star Trek fandom and have been since I was 5 years old, but I'm the first to recognize that the makers of a new ST movie need to make it accessible to a general audience and can't -- indeed, shouldn't -- tailor it exclusively to the core fanbase to which I belong. So of course it's not personal. It's just acknowledging the numbers.)

I'm aware that comics sold much higher in the past, when the distribution system was more generalized and not so focused on comics shops. But I don't see how that's relevant to the present-day audience for Ultimate Spider-Man.
 
Christopher said:
Really, Marvel? You've already decided to throw in all these additional male characters, but including a second woman, even one of the most important female characters in comics right now and one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel Universe, is only a "possible?"
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What is with everyone's obsession with Ms Marvel? For a very long time, I've always known her as that woman Rogue stole her powers from. So she can fly and has super strength?

Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk can do that exact same thing she can. Well actually Hulk actually takes huge leaps instead of flying, but I consider it the same thing.

They'll put in a new female character for the next movie, probably not her because she would be another another flying powerhouse. I feel they'll go for a woman with very different kind of powers.
 
Christopher said:
I'm not "hating on" anything, simply pointing out some statistics. The facts are the facts regardless of how you feel about them, so pointing out the facts shouldn't be assumed to have some emotional bias or agenda behind it. I'm not saying there's anything bad about the core fanbase of comics, I'm just saying they're outnumbered by the general TV viewing audience and thus can't be expected to be the exclusive target audience of a TV series. There's no value judgment there, just understanding the reality of the situation. (After all, I'm a member of core Star Trek fandom and have been since I was 5 years old, but I'm the first to recognize that the makers of a new ST movie need to make it accessible to a general audience and can't -- indeed, shouldn't -- tailor it exclusively to the core fanbase to which I belong. So of course it's not personal. It's just acknowledging the numbers.)

I'm aware that comics sold much higher in the past, when the distribution system was more generalized and not so focused on comics shops. But I don't see how that's relevant to the present-day audience for Ultimate Spider-Man.
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Fair enough, Christopher. You may not be "hating on", but your comments were uncomfortably close to those of people who frankly are doing so.

No one is saying that Marvel/DC have to do it exactly like the comics, but given the history of the past 10 years or so in comics where the Old School fanbase has been vilified, flamed, and trolled relentlessly (sometimes by people working for DC and Marvel directly), you can understand that a lot of fans are a little touchy about the subject.
 
I don't think "everyone" is obsessed with Ms. Marvel, but Carol has become a pretty popular character over the last few years since she's been an Avenger and New Avenger and had her solo-series. The Captain Marvel upgrade will only draw more interest to her. It's only been in these last couple of years, and a possible hint of a romance and her friendship with Peter that has interested me in the character :) Plus Carol has a lot of history and depth of character that makes her intriguing. I could see Joss being very interested in using her in "Avengers 2".
 
Ms Marvel is basically the premiere female Marvel character, for better or for worse. I can't think of anyone else...
 
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