25*(7/9*8)/(7/8*9)=25!!
OMG, it's a conspiracy!
New Picard SDCC Trailer
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OMG, it's a conspiracy!
Can just imagine someone saying "the Enterprise needs to be 25% different for licencing reasons" and it being taken the wrong way...
Ugh, what is it with Nu-Trek fanboys and this disingenous line of semantics?
When huge portions of the fandom say that this doesn't "feel" like Star Trek they're talking in general about the tone and storytelling that Trek is known for. From the trailer Picard looks like typical action schlock with a bad guy and "fate of the entire universe" stuff with tedious mystery boxes. This is not what most Star Trek fans watch Star Trek for. Sure throw Star Trek on any old crap and it's "technically" Star Trek, but that doesn't mean that Star Trek as a franchise doesn't have it's own personality, tone and language that it's known for. Crap like Discovery, Into Darkness, even Nemesis don't have that visual or storytelling language that Trek is known for, they're simply other stories with a Star Trek skin.
No it's not. The entire trailer shows pretty much every typical red flag you would get from a tedious shallow Bad Robot production and considering Trek has been suffering from these eye rolling shallow tedious tropes since 2009, it's something that a lot of the fandom are out on the look out for. Also on the writers my statement is completely legitimate. Writers do not control what ends up on screen nor are they independent. Most of the fandom at this point admits that Discovery S2 was basically a complete trainwreck in the writing department, even massive Disco fan channels that have defended Discovery through thick and thin like Trekspertese and Henry EC admitted in the end that the writing is what is letting the show down and the stories make no sense. Discovery had fantastic writers, but the problem clearly is too much interference from CBS, Kurtzman etc and too many cooks in the kitchen in terms of producers alone. Because Picard has good writers on board, doesn't mean the show itself has a high chance of being good especially if they have to adhere to a template or tone set by suits or there is interference in the post-writing/script process that means we end up with something different than what appears in the script, which is extremely common in both film and television.
I hope so, but from what I've seen in this trailer and how this franchise has been handled for the past decade, doubt it.
No it isn't. You can have modern production and still stay true to the tone of previous Trek series. Also modern production doesn't mean "everything has to be grimdark and actually physically dark". Look at Marvel to see that colourful and brightly lit does perfectly well and look at stuff like Arrival, Interstellar, Ex Machina or Annihilation to see that more philosophical, non-action takes on Sci-fi are still very popular. Hell even the new Alien films like Prometheus and Alien Covenant were sold far more on their hard-sci fi elements than the action.
haha you're entitled to your opinion, but in mine (and huge portions of the Fandoms and critics post-S2 wrapped up) Discovery is arguably one of the worst written serialised shows I've seen in my life and I've watched anime for 30 years so I've seen a lot of garbage. Both seasons are complete and total trainwrecks and even notable pro-Disco critics had to admit so by the end of S2. There are redeeming elements to Discovery, but for a serialised shows they completely dropped the ball in every meaningful way and ended up with a story with so many holes, self-contradictons and lazy cop-outs that it completely and totally falls apart on any retrospection, doesn't help the show is shallow as hell and has absolutely nothing interesting to say.
I don't know why the Disco fanboys on this forum find it so incomprehensible that people dislike Discovery and the direction of Star Trek for the past decade under JJ/Kurtzman/Goldsman for actual legitimate reasons. I understand why you people like Nu-Trek, it's the same reason people like Nu-Wars (which has a lion's share of the same issues) but it doesn't invalidate the issues people have with the way the franchise is being handled.
Also further statements about how "dark" this show is going to be from those involved isn't helping reassure a lot of the fandom.
Well, I heard it said that Seven Ate (Eight) Nine!Oh common, "because Seven as a Six offender" I learned this stuff in grade school
Kor
Cannot rule that out
They are not illegitimate. I like nu trek for the same reasons I like old trek
IDIC and all that.
From the trailer and the announcement at SDCC, you can pretty much figured out what the pilot (first 2 hours) is all about:
1) Picard retired at his farm
2) Someone needs his help
3) Picard went to Starfleet for help but got rejected
4) Picard has to round up a new crew
5) Data got put back together
6) Borg related mission ensued (Hugh?)
7) Picard got his groove back (with 7’s help?)
8) Mission went over everybody’s head
9) Ship about to be destroyed
10) Riker and Troy showed up in a Starfleet ship (Enterprise F?) to save Picard and his crew at the end.
1) Picard retired at his farm
2) Someone needs his help
3) Picard went to Starfleet for help but got rejected
4) Picard has to round up a new crew
5) Data got put back together
6) Borg related mission ensued (Hugh?)
7) Picard got his groove back (with 7’s help?)
8) Mission went over everybody’s head
9) Ship about to be destroyed
10) Riker and Troy showed up in a Starfleet ship (Enterprise F?) to save Picard and his crew at the end.
They're a minority.
Can't put something back together that was vaporized.
@Donker whilst I agree on your criticism on Disco, the reason for that show being such a mess is that no one had a coherent vision and people changed and the direction of the story changed many times so in the end none of it made any sense. With Picard it seems that they started the story first. They had a clear story pitch to get sir Patrick on board, and I presume they have at least a broad outline for the whole three seasons they want to make. This is a good starting point and helps to avoid the sort of problems Discovery had.
You know what the great thing about Star Trek is? No one person's opinion is valid about what it "should be." What you think Star Trek "should be" may be completely different than what I think Star Trek "should be." I didn't like ENT, but there are people who do. Some people like VOY and some don't. Some people love Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (why, i have no idea.) You're simply not going to get a consistent agreement about what's "good" or "bad." So please stop acting as if you're speaking for the fandom at large, because you have no idea what the majority of people think.
All that is is you being super biased because you don't like Bad Robot for whatever reason. Again, you're just taking things you saw in a two minute trailer and twisting them to suit your own personal feeling about what Star Trek "should be" because you think Kurtzman is the antichrist or some similar bs. And as for trailers in general? If one only saw the trailer for The Phantom Menace but didn't actually see the movie, one would think that TPM was the greatest movie of all time. So trailers are not indicative of what you're actually going to see. So, again, it's pure drivel.
So what did you learn today?
1. Wait until you see the show.
2. Don't speak for the fandom.
Based on the trailer, I'd like to see people's issues with Picard without referring back to how much they hate Discovery. Complaining about one just because of the other is like complaining about DS9 just because of Voyager, or vice versa.
THIS!!!!!!!!
Why do I feel like a lot of the current HATERZ were saying the same thing about Berman Trek a few years back........now they speak of it as all AMAZING sci-fi?
Everybody here just LOVES to explain to you why one show or another is better or worse. I do that quite a bit, actually. LOL
For my part this latest trailer got me interested. At first I was a tad leery about bringing Picard back.
Horror of horrors, new productions are different from older ones.
Why should newer movies and TV shows in a franchise feel just like the stuff from decades ago? If I wanted more of the same, I would just watch those shows again (which I do plenty already). I watch the new stuff because I expect it to be different.
Kor
Why should newer movies and TV shows in a franchise feel just like the stuff from decades ago? If I wanted more of the same, I would just watch those shows again (which I do plenty already). I watch the new stuff because I expect it to be different.
Kor
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