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New Fuller Interview; Season 1 = 13 (Serialized) Episodes

Is it really militant to want an accurate reflection of what real life is like?

Don't get me wrong, but in real life gay people are a very small minority. So why is everyone here pushing for a gay character in Star Trek? What would be the point? Star Trek is not about real life anyway, it's a science fiction show set more than 300 years in the future! We have already touched this topic in DS9 ... and the way I took it, sexual orientation wouldn't even be worth talking about in the 24th century Federation. So what is all the fuzz about?

If they include a same sex relationship, I'd like to see something like Willow and Tara in Buffy The Vampire Slayer ... I think they handled it just perfectly there. Their relationship was just there, no big deal!

With all due respect to gay people, but I find it quite bizarre how some are trying to shove down their sexual preferences down everyone's throat ... no pun intended.
 
If the LGBT character is handled as a completely normal character not using him as some strong social comment like he/her gets special treatment because of his sexual orientation or he/her being better in something because of the orientation I welcome the move. But I really want to see handled casual and not getting more focus than others especially from the relation point of view. I want to feel that this isn't a problem anymore in the future, everybody accepts this. I don't want to see an alien on the ship that doesn't agree with this because of his/her culture as in allegory to the current day case when many people reject LGBT people because of their faith or something ...
 
Don't get me wrong, but in real life gay people are a very small minority. So why is everyone here pushing for a gay character in Star Trek? What would be the point? Star Trek is not about real life anyway, it's a science fiction show set more than 300 years in the future! We have already touched this topic in DS9 ... and the way I took it, sexual orientation wouldn't even be worth talking about in the 24th century Federation. So what is all the fuzz about?

If they include a same sex relationship, I'd like to see something like Willow and Tara in Buffy The Vampire Slayer ... I think they handled it just perfectly there. Their relationship was just there, no big deal!
Good god, why is this so difficult? No one is saying that there must be a gay character or else. No one is also saying that every episode must deal with LGBT issues. Only that it would be nice to have a more diverse cast, representative of our diverse population. That's it.

And no, Star Trek has never really dealt with this issue more than just in a superficial way, DS9 or TNG or whatever.

With all due respect to gay people, but I find it quite bizarre how some are trying to shove down their sexual preferences down everyone's throat ... no pun intended.
Classy. They are trying to gain acceptance, something they have historically never had. Why that gets turned into "shoving down their sexual preferences" is beyond me.
 
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With all due respect to gay people, but I find it quite bizarre how some are trying to shove down their sexual preferences down everyone's throat ... no pun intended.

This rather obtuse sentence sums up the exact reason why gay people belong in an environment where everyone is treated equally. Not as some outside cult that's being 'shoved down your throat'.

That logic is absolutely horrendous, and the exact reason why so many close to me are fucking terrified of being themselves or even simply holding their loved ones hand in public.
 
... and the way I took it, sexual orientation wouldn't even be worth talking about in the 24th century Federation
Yet we constantly saw manifestations of characters heterosexual orientations, and these orientations were the subject of talk.

So why wouldn't situations that arise owing to a gay character's sexual orientation be subject of conversation.

You can't say the sex wasn't talked about in previous series ... now can you?
I don't want to see an alien on the ship that doesn't agree with this because of his/her culture as in allegory to the current day case when many people reject LGBT
I just thought of a character who comes from a species that only engages in sex at set times during the course of their lives. Unlike Vulcans, outside of these periods they are both psychologically and physically incapable of sex. To them Humans sexual practices (gay and straight) are disturbing and objectionable. And the subject of (fairly) polite conversation.
 
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Don't get me wrong, but in real life gay people are a very small minority.
White males are barely more significant as a slice of the global population. I'm curious, do you complain about their being "shoved down our throats" any time one of them appears on a show? If not, why not, and why do gays deserve that sort of thin-skinned reaction where white males don't?
 
Don't get me wrong, but in real life gay people are a very small minority. So why is everyone here pushing for a gay character in Star Trek? What would be the point? Star Trek is not about real life anyway, it's a science fiction show set more than 300 years in the future! We have already touched this topic in DS9 ... and the way I took it, sexual orientation wouldn't even be worth talking about in the 24th century Federation. So what is all the fuzz about?

If they include a same sex relationship, I'd like to see something like Willow and Tara in Buffy The Vampire Slayer ... I think they handled it just perfectly there. Their relationship was just there, no big deal!

With all due respect to gay people, but I find it quite bizarre how some are trying to shove down their sexual preferences down everyone's throat ... no pun intended.
Why was it so important for there to be a black woman on the bridge in TOS? There was no human racial bigotry or civil rights struggle in the 23rd century. Why a pan-Asian character? There were no ongoing tensions with the Chinese or wars fought against Japan or Japanese-Americans interned only twenty years earlier in the distant future. Why a Russian character? The Cold War was ancient history to them. Why'd they do a thinly veiled commentary on Vietnam when it was set in the 2260s and not the 1960s? Why was ST-IV about saving the whales and the adverse effects of damaging our environment in the 1980s when whales were being hunted to extinction? Why did TNG feature a really lame drug addiction episode during the Reagan-era "Just Say No" campaign?

Star Trek has always used its future setting as a lens to look back on contemporary issues and comment on them from the perspective of fictional characters who are supposed to be beyond our petty bigotry, nationalism, and other present day flaws. Today, bigotry against LGBT people and their fight for civil rights is a major issue, and the shows/films should reflect that in some way by providing a visible example of a society where we've outgrown that bigotry.

Writers have been trying to get that reflected in Star Trek since TNG and have frequently been shot down (David Gerrold) or in order to have any LGBT issues raised it has had to be watered down through nine levels of alien metaphor to get it onscreen, like TNG: The Outcast or DS9: Rejoined. Trek, instead of being one of the innovators that were setting the tone for inclusiveness like it did in the 60s, instead fell way behind where other movies and TV series were on the depiction of LGBT characters, so including one now would be redressing a longstanding oversight.

I'm not sure what you're point is with the Willow and Tara reference. Are you under the impression that people are calling for a gay pride parade to march down the corridors of the ship every five minutes or for a flamboyant stereotype character to constantly make reference to having gay sex all the time during the middle of a conflict with the Romulans? We want them to behave just like any other character on the show, but also happen to be gay. Show same-sex partners holding hands at dinner or living in the same quarters. Have them talk about their relationships. Show them kissing or hugging each other. You know, all the same things you take for granted as the normal day-to-day behavior of a heterosexual character on the shows, but gay instead. So exactly like the Willow and Tara relationship, which is why your "shoved their preferences down our throats" remark is —with all due respect (as you prepare to say something disrespectful)— bullshit and offensive.

LGBT people only want to receive the same treatment as everyone else and feel like they have a place in the optimistic and inclusive future of Star Trek too. Think of how many young black people have been inspired by Star Trek to see a better future for themselves. Is it really so much of a chore for you to come a little bit out of your comfort zone so that young LGBT people might be similarly inspired by seeing a depiction of a better future for themselves?
 
^ Nicely put. All of it.

Seriously, straight characters and couples have been openly displaying their sexuality on STAR TREK since Day One, but I don't remember anyone complaining that heterosexuality was being shoved down their throats when Vina tried to seduce Pike, or Kirk romanced Joan Collins, or Spock had sex with Zarabeth, or Picard hooked up with Vash, or Riker and Troi had their endless quasi-relationship, or O'Brian married Keiko, or Sisko mourned his dead wife, or . . . need I go on?

But treat gay characters the same way and suddenly this is "unnecessary" or "excessive" or "irrelevant" or whatever? I mean, if we're citing Willow and Tara, I'm pretty sure their romance didn't get more screen time than Buffy's various relationship dramas with Angel and Spike and the Boring Guy. And Xander and Giles and Cordelia and Anya and the others all had messy love lives as well. But somehow the Willow-and-Tara thing was more in your face than all the other romantic angst on the show?

Don't be silly.
 
What I'm tired of is shows (usually sitcoms, though) "dumbing down" gay characters for audiences to easily differentiate them from the straight characters by making them embody stereotypes such as "all gays are feminine" and "all lesbians are masculine".
 
With all due respect to gay people, but I find it quite bizarre how some are trying to shove down their sexual preferences down everyone's throat ... no pun intended.

I think they deserve a little "shove it down our throat" after being treated as less than human for a long, long time.

So exactly like the Willow and Tara relationship, which is why your "shoved their preferences down our throats" remark is —with all due respect (as you prepare to say something disrespectful)— bullshit and offensive.
Indeed. Just my 2 cents, but what an unfortunate, and Freudian, choice of words. In both cases above, that was pretty offensive and unnecessary. The same point could have been made, in a more classy, and unoffensive way.

And sugar coating it as "with all due respect," doesn't negate anything.
 
I honestly don't care about LGBT in Trek nor do I care about romance in Trek to begin with. That's not the reason I like or watch Trek.
 
I really am indifferent myself, but people don't have to be insensitive to those for whom that is a topic of interest.
 
Fuller's comments make me feel good about this show. Looking forward to it.

On the subject of relationships-If there's a gay character, have them be gay, have it be normal, and be done with it. It's that simple, at least to me, especially when you look at some of Gene's comments about where humanity is supposed to be by the 23rd and 24th centuries.
 
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