New Fuller Interview; Season 1 = 13 (Serialized) Episodes
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They can do it modestly without screaming OH LOOK, A ____ CHARACTER. Write them as characters who incidentally happen to have same sex relationships. THAT's progression
I'm huge Fuller fan. I'm kind of glad its not an anthology and it's not post-ST6 and TNG, thinking about it that's odd. 13 eps is fine.
I assume that's what they'll do. It's the way Trek has usually been. Differences of race and gender are just there, a fact of life. Unworthy of a character mentioning it.
As it should be.
Well, for one thing, it has to do with life. And, you know, people. I'm pretty sure “people” are going to be a part of the new show. And I suspect they will make up most of the audience, as well.
But really, why the fuck shouldn't they focus on LBGTQ? It's an aspect of life that has been weirdly omitted from most of the earlier Trek outings. I think it's about time that it becomes a part of Trek.
Who talks about shoehorning in anything? We haven't even seen a fragment of a frame of a second of the new show, and yet here you are, decrying it as “shoehorned in”. Or is the mere fact that LBGTQ themes might be a part of the new show too much for you to handle?
Yeah, right, because we didn't have enough “Look, we are all heterosexual characters! No, there's no way we are gay!” in the last decades of Trek and televised media in general. Why the obsession with that?
Opinions like your's are what let me doubt there's anything more sophisiticated, intelligent, progressive and forward-thinking about Star Trek fans. Many of them are just your plain old jerks, really.
Why not? We are talking about a segment of our population who have been severely underrepresented in television. It also just reflects real life. I have several coworkers and friends who are gay. It's just a fact of everyday life. And you know what? They are't shoehorned into my life, they are simply part of my life. Why shouldn't Star Trek try to be the same?
Now I really hope Angela Bassett is cast as captain-- playing a lesbian person of colour, along with a first officer who is gay, a bisexual chief medical officer and a transgendered chief engineer (whose nickname is "Scottie"--just for the hell of it). The paroxysms of sputtering rage it would provoke would be...glorious.
I'd rather have 26 excellent episodes.
Just because the season is only 13 episodes long doesn't guarantee that they'll all be top notch stories. The proportion of filler material may well be the same.
Mr Awe
That's the risk with a short season that will be fully serialized. If you don't like the story arc, the season won't be for you. A longer season would've been nice because you could've included the same number of stories in the arc, and then some stand alone stories. That gives a nice balance to the series.
Maybe it'll all be great. I like what I'm hearing. But, there is a risk involved with the shorter season that is entirely arc based.
Mr Awe
I love Fuller, and I love what Fuller is saying about his new Trek. I'm especially happy that the anthology rumor is not true. Although if it turns out the show is set post Nemesis, while that would not be my first choice, I'd be ok with it as long as Fuller is at the helm.
However the thought of seeing Patrick Stewart do a cameo as Picard would make me giddy.
However the thought of seeing Patrick Stewart do a cameo as Picard would make me giddy.
Yeah. I would love it if they go the "Enterprise Season3"-way, or the very first 6 episodes Dominion war arc, where you have an overarching story, with a lot of sidestories/stories of the week that play a part in the overall ark (like "Apocalypse rising" and "The ship" on DS9, or ENT s3 where every episode brought us a little bit closer to the Xindi).
I would hate them if they drag out one simple plot over 13 episodes (like the DS9-finale, ot the first season of "Stargate Universe")
Why would anyone this uptight about seeing the mere mention of LGBT people live in New York City? That's like someone who can't stand the sight of corn moving to Iowa.
Why is this still a thing in 2016? Gay people exist and will be included in any show that considers itself progressive and representative, and that includes Star Trek in spite of this odd as hell subset of bass ackwards fans who apparently missed the whole goddamn inclusive message of the show. Deal with it. The only one with an obsession is people like you.
By the way, a gay person is making the show. Better not sign up or you might catch the gay through your TV, computer, or device. It's insidious like that. It's 100% streaming gay. CBS stands for Completely Bi-Sexual.
Such delicious sarcasm. Marry me.
Why'd you have to go and shoehorn same-sex marriage into this thread? Always pushing an agenda that that is in fact a thing that exists in the world.
What can I say? I find sarcasm irresistible.Why'd you have to go and shoehorn same-sex marriage into this thread? Always pushing an agenda that that is in fact a thing that exists in the world.
That's not what I meant. Yes, of course, I'd love to have 26 excellent episodes per season too. But the way production of Star Trek series has historically been, that just doesn't happen. Because there are so many episodes that need to be produced in a tight schedule, we're reduced to getting mostly mediocre eps with maybe two or three good ones thrown in the mix. TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are all guilty of this. That's just the nature of episodic shows. Heck, DS9 (my favorite Trek series) even resorted to lame B-plots in almost every episode to pad the run time.
If you have a dud episode in a 13 episode season, it has more of an impact than a dud episode in a season of 26.
They also scale the writers and resources to fit the number of episodes. So, there's no reason to expect a better hit ratio. And, with fewer episodes, you have to shoehorn the arc at the expense of standalone stories.
Mr Awe
But that's not what I said. I said that the larger the amount of episodes per season, the higher chance that many of those episodes will be duds. So, having one dud in a 13 episode season is infinitely better than having 20 duds in a 26 episode season.
There's every reason to expect a better hit ratio when all 13 episodes are part of the main story arc and the standalone/episodic/dud/whatever-you-want-to-call-it episodes are eliminated.
Just look at Daredevil.
I want the theme to be diversity. Not just a gay character but a black character in a major role, and maybe a Latino/Latina character. I don't recall a series ever having one and I think it might be nice. One of the things I love about OITNB is variety. I forget that the show portrays lesbian couples because I just think it's normal. Would like that same feeling in the new series.