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With the current fashion for universes, why not have a Bond tie in?
I completely agree with all of this (including the points about Bond)...except making either of them American. That's too far!I pretty much agree with The Wormhole on this. Bond is a bloke, end of discussion really, but the Doctor can really be anyone, and even before Missy or the Gallifreyan general, or the Corsair made the notion of gender swapping canon it was pretty certain it could happen, if your DNA is being rewritten at such a base level really anything is possible.
Personally I think maybe we should have a non white Doctor before a female Doctor (but heck they could do both at once!) but I think it does come down to who is available and who is the right choice at the right time. For me looking at someone like Olivia Colman she's about as perfect a fit for the Doctor as you could hope to find and if she were male she'd probably have been high on the list when Smith left.
I don't want them to do it just because they can, or just to tick a box, but if someone is perfect to play the Doctor they should get the chance, whether they're male, female or...and I appreciate this may be a step too far...American!
If it starred Naomie Harris I'd be on board.
Same here. I've been a big fan of hers since 28 Days Later.
She's going to be to busy as the Doctor...
Exactly. Instead of changing iconic franchises to appease the blogosphere, just create something else. There's no reason why female secret agents can't kick some ass on the big screen in their own properties. If the keyboard warriors want Gillian Anderson as "Jane Bond," then they should be perfectly happy with Gillian Anderson as her own female spy in her own movie. Why does it have to be Bond?
And speaking of Agent Carter, I just saw something about a Twitter campaign to make Captain America gay. *sigh.....*
Would they be happy if Marvel created them a gay or bisexual hero instead?
Would RTD loan Disney the rights to Captain Jack for a few movies?
I know, and I agree. That's why I said Bond was different. You can technically change the Doctor, but Bond is inherently male. It's integral to the character's identity and appeal. So why on earth do these people want to campaign to change him instead of just campaigning for a franchise that features a female secret agent?
It's not as if there's been a dearth of strong, kick-ass female characters in media in recent years. There was Agent Carter recently. There was Beckett on Castle. There was Sarah Walker on Chuck a few years ago. M on James Bond was played by a woman for 17 years. Skyfall had Moneypenny as a field agent. I mean, sheesh.
Or they could just make a movie about Northstar.
^ Well there you go, then. Northstar. Their problem is solved, no need to campaign for Captain America to have a boyfriend now. Except he's part of the X-Men and not the Avengers.
True, and though I'm not 100% certain on how the legalities with the movies work, I think as long as Fox has no plans for an X-Men character in their movies, Marvel is free to use that character in one of their Disney movies. Actually, it probably doesn't even matter if Fox plans to use the character, Quicksilver is in the X-Men movies and was in Age of Ultron.
Nope. Marvel/Disney cannot use any of the X-Men characters (or the Fantastic Four characters) in any of their movies. The only exceptions to this rule were Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, who have a long history as Avengers characters but were also closely tied to (and introduced in) the X-Men comics (being Magneto's kids and all). And even that required additional negotiations between Fox and Disney (which is probably why Quicksilver was killed off in Age of Ultron and Scarlet Witch hasn't shown up in the X-movies).
The only non-X-Men LGBT heroes I can think of are Wiccan and Hulking, who are gay guys from Young Avengers; Moondragon, who's a bi woman and shows up in a lot of the cosmic titles; and Phyla-Vell, who's a lesbian woman and also shows up in the cosmic titles.
The only non-X-Men LGBT heroes I can think of are Wiccan and Hulking, who are gay guys from Young Avengers; Moondragon, who's a bi woman and shows up in a lot of the cosmic titles; and Phyla-Vell, who's a lesbian woman and also shows up in the cosmic titles.
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That same Moneypenny who at the end just said "Meh, I'd rather be a secretary." That Moneypenny?
....And how is that a bad thing? She still has field agent training. She still works in a top-secret role at SIS, with a secret clearance. She assists in missions that help keep the public safe from threats. How is that in any way marginalizing her that she chose to simply be Moneypenny instead of a field agent? At least this reboot version of Moneypenny had more characterization than the classic one ever did.
The modern Bond series goes out of its way to show that a woman can be head of the Intelligence Services and that Moneypenny actually has a role assisting Bond rather than just giving Bond his mission details and flirting behind a desk...but that's still not enough?
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Besides, she's perfectly capable of changing her mind.
Yeah, I've never understood how it's sexist for a woman to have a preference for administrative work. Besides, M's assistant Tanner also only does administrative work, so the series has a male "secretary" as well thereby providing equality.
You're kidding, right?
Besides being an example of a "ass kicking woman," it takes the only woman that is a featured character in Bond and puts her right back at the desk she was at for how many decades?
It marginalizes her by literally marginalizing her. She isn't a field agent, she doesn't actually assist in missions that keep people safe. She isn't Bond's handler, she isn't in a mission room. She is behind a desk.
Don't get me started on the shit that was Skyfall that literally reset everything back to 1970s... A man as M, Moneypenny behind the desk.
No. it's not enough. Maybe it would be enough if we were in 1985. But, we aren't. In two movies, Modern Bond put back a male as M, and Moneypenny was a field agent for all of 10 minutes.
It's sexist when a field agent--who, frankly in Skyfall was a better fucking field agent than Bond--goes, nah, I'd rather be behind a desk. That was the extent of her characterization. After one mission that didn't go great, meh, I'd rather be a secretary. While Bond, oh, no, Bond, who is quite the failure by the end of Skyfall, he decides to keep going. Though, who knows why the agency would want a shitty agent like Bond after he got M killed with his little plan.
At the end of Skyfall, BOND should be behind a desk.
Smart people are undramatic.
Dummies are plenty dramatic.
Intellect and cellphones make it really hard to invent drama in storytelling.
(99 only kept 86 around as a human shield for the first couple seasons.)
Dummies are plenty dramatic.
Intellect and cellphones make it really hard to invent drama in storytelling.
(99 only kept 86 around as a human shield for the first couple seasons.)
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See this is part of the reason part of me is still slightly against a female Doctor, we had a female M for almost 20 years and when she's replaced by a bloke everyone is up in arms all of a sudden, despite the fact that the real heads of SIS have been both male and female. Should M only be a woman now? If Doctor 13 is a woman does that mean the Doctor should only be a woman from then on? If Doctor 14 is recast as a man is that the end of the world? If Doctor 14 is another woman is that the end of the world? Hopefully whoever the next Doctor, and the next Doctor after that will be will be down to being the best person for the job (as I think Finnes was the best person for the job of M).
Moneypenny being a field agent is fine, but lets be honest, in general agents who assist 007 tend to get horribly killed, at least she's safe behind that desk (ducks). Besides given as far as we know the only "kill" she ever had registered was, er, James Bond...
There is only so many changes you can make to the Bond franchise before it ceases to be the Bond franchise any more. Frankly I already think they're shoehorning Moneypenny, Q and M in too much (see Spectre for further details where Moneypenny gets an even shittier end of the stick than she does in Skyfall)
