New Companion Rumour

[Guy Gardener]

Found an old list.

26 Bi and Homosexual Marvel characters.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/20andre/lists/marvel-gay-characters/35016/

Karma and Flatman were a surprise.

Mystique and Destiny were obviously an item, but the 1980s secret that Chris Claremont was keeping about Mystique was not that she was a lesbian, but that she was a man.

Very few Avengers.

Embarrassingly so.

Why is Mariko Yashada on that list?

Good lord!!

Was Wolverine her beard?

Mariko tricked her crimelord, mystical-demon father into thinking that she wanted to sleep with an unkillable-killing machine, so that once both of those two men were dead, San Yashida can swan off and find herself a girlfriend with impunity.

That's GENIUS!

 

[Professor Zoom]

See this is part of the reason part of me is still slightly against a female Doctor, we had a female M for almost 20 years and when she's replaced by a bloke everyone is up in arms all of a sudden, despite the fact that the real heads of SIS have been both male and female. Should M only be a woman now? If Doctor 13 is a woman does that mean the Doctor should only be a woman from then on? If Doctor 14 is recast as a man is that the end of the world? If Doctor 14 is another woman is that the end of the world? Hopefully whoever the next Doctor, and the next Doctor after that will be will be down to being the best person for the job (as I think Finnes was the best person for the job of M).

Moneypenny being a field agent is fine, but lets be honest, in general agents who assist 007 tend to get horribly killed, at least she's safe behind that desk (ducks). Besides given as far as we know the only "kill" she ever had registered was, er, James Bond...

There is only so many changes you can make to the Bond franchise before it ceases to be the Bond franchise any more. Frankly I already think they're shoehorning Moneypenny, Q and M in too much (see Spectre for further details where Moneypenny gets an even shittier end of the stick than she does in Skyfall)

For me it's not just that M is a bloke again or just that Moneypenny is back behind the desk. It's that it's both. Right how it was 30 years ago. And that it seems a new Moneypenny was introduced just so she could get placed back behind the desk.

 

[Samurai8472]

http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/a...-debut-in-2017-her-name-and-when-s-she-s-from


Bill is from 2017.

She'll ask questions that have never been answered before

She'll meet the doctor in an unusual way

She'll premiere in season 10. Not in the Christmas special

 

[The Wormhole]

Bill is from 2017.

That was obvious from the start. Anyone who thought otherwise really hasn't been paying attention to modern day Doctor Who.

She'll premiere in season 10. Not in the Christmas special

On another note, I predicted that right on page 1 of this very thread!

 

[Photoman15]

(this is not anything disparaging the actress)

So will Bill be transgender? What restroom will Bill use on the Tardis? Ooo! Maybe that's the unusual way the meet. The Doctor meets Bill in the Men's Room at a bar? Who knows?

 

[Samurai8472]

I'm just not feeling Pearl Mackie. Looks wise

That's all I'll say on that

 

[Professor Zoom]

(this is not anything disparaging the actress)

So will Bill be transgender? What restroom will Bill use on the Tardis? Ooo! Maybe that's the unusual way the meet. The Doctor meets Bill in the Men's Room at a bar? Who knows?

Maybe the Doctor is in the Ladies room. Gallifreyian gender is fluid.

 

[TommyR01D]

I think "Bill" might end up being like "Fred".

 

[Ithekro]

I miss "Fred".

 

[Starkers]

For me it's not just that M is a bloke again or just that Moneypenny is back behind the desk. It's that it's both. Right how it was 30 years ago. And that it seems a new Moneypenny was introduced just so she could get placed back behind the desk.

I don't completely disagree, but that's where Moneypenny has always been, and at least this way MP is seen to be a competent agent who's been in the field (and jokes about shooting 007 apart she's really good in both Shanghai and the London shootout) and being the personal assistant of the head of MI6 is no mean feat. If anything I'd like them to drop Tanner and elevate Moneypenny into more of that kind of role, that would be good.

Part of my problem with Spectre, and if anything Moneypenny isn't the worst offender, is that all of Bond's support staff get shoehorned into the action in some way. The franchise needs stripping back, and fine if there's a way to insert M and co into the action, but don't do it for the sake of it. Really I just want Bond to get on with his mission after a quick bit of banter with Moneypenny, some hurumphing from M and after Q tells him to return his exploding underpants in one piece...

 

[Professor Zoom]

I don't completely disagree, but that's where Moneypenny has always been, and at least this way MP is seen to be a competent agent who's been in the field (and jokes about shooting 007 apart she's really good in both Shanghai and the London shootout) and being the personal assistant of the head of MI6 is no mean feat. If anything I'd like them to drop Tanner and elevate Moneypenny into more of that kind of role, that would be good.

Just because she's always been that way, doesn't mean she has to be that way. This was basically a reboot, so, why reboot if you're just going to put everything back the way it was again? I don't think tradition is always the best reason to continue doing something.

Giving Moneypenny Tanner's job would be much better, I agree.

She IS good as a field agent... That's why it was exciting, and then disappointing... Leaving her as a field agent would at least give them a woman in the field kicking ass without having to turn it to Jane Bond.

Maybe they didn't want to: Moneypenny is both good at her job and knows when to take care of herself. She might look to good next to Bond.

Part of my problem with Spectre, and if anything Moneypenny isn't the worst offender, is that all of Bond's support staff get shoehorned into the action in some way. The franchise needs stripping back, and fine if there's a way to insert M and co into the action, but don't do it for the sake of it. Really I just want Bond to get on with his mission after a quick bit of banter with Moneypenny, some hurumphing from M and after Q tells him to return his exploding underpants in one piece...

Yeah, that end with the all the gang involved felt weird and forced in an already forced film.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

IIRC, back during the Pierce Brosnan era, they talked about doing a female spin-off film, focusing on either Halle Berry's character from Die Another Day or Michelle Yeoh's character from Tomorrow Never Dies. While Berry really sucked, I was always bummed that we never got to see Yeoh again. (I also heard rumors that Berry's role in Die Another Day was originally going to be a return of Yeoh's character. But sadly, that never happened either.)

Frankly, I don't think too many people watch 007 movies for progressive gender roles. The very purpose of the franchise is unrepentant machismo. If they can work in some strong female characters at the same time, that's fine but it's not essential.

Complaining about there not being enough strong female heroes in a James Bond movie is kinda like complaining that there aren't enough explosions in a Jane Austen novel or that there aren't enough white people in Tyler Perry's movies. Not everything needs to be a pantheon of diversity. Not everyone needs to be represented in everything. Some things should just do what they do.

And if you wanna see kickass lady action heroes, I recommend the Resident Evil, Underworld, & Tomb Raider series.

(Meanwhile, my main complaint about the Daniel Craig movies is that he just doesn't seem to be having any fun while doing them and completely lacks the suave charm that all of his predecessors had.)

I don't want them to do it just because they can, or just to tick a box, but if someone is perfect to play the Doctor they should get the chance, whether they're male, female or...and I appreciate this may be a step too far...American!

As an American myself, I say that's blasphemy!

And speaking of Agent Carter, I just saw something about a Twitter campaign to make Captain America gay. *sigh.....*
Would they be happy if Marvel created them a gay or bisexual hero instead?

Would RTD loan Disney the rights to Captain Jack for a few movies?

Thanks to Pirates of the Caribbean, Disney already has its own Captain Jack!

As for making Captain America gay, that's ridiculous and already contradicts his established relationships with Peggy & Sharon in the previous movies. If you're that interested, I'm sure there's a wide variety of Cap/Bucky slash fanfic out there.

Meanwhile, I just want to say again that I miss Agent Carter.

As for getting this thread back on topic, or at least back in a Doctor Who direction, I'd be OK with a female Doctor so long as it didn't substantially change the character. The wise, eccentric, distracted scientist is the essential archetype for the character. Traditionally, that's been a male archetype, albeit a non-sexualized one. But so long as a woman can fit that non-sexualized archetype, I'm fine with it.

There's already a precedent for that. As a suave, conniving arch-villain, I've found that Michelle Gomez makes a much better Master than John Simm. In fact, Gomez reminds me of the classic Masters like Roger Delgado & Anthony Ainley far better than Simm ever did.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

There is simply no reason why an American ACTOR should be barred from playing the Doctor, as long as the character stays British. It's part of the identity of the show, so keep it that way. British actors play American superheroes and American presidents. Doctor Who should be no different. I have no idea why some of the tabloids and fans get so bent out of shape about it.

It's like J.K. Rowling's proviso that the Harry Potter movies have no American actors cast...she was dead-set against it, as well as dead-set against Chris Columbus directing the first movie before she met him. As long as the actor can do an accent and be true to the character, who the heck cares?

 

[The Wormhole]

There is simply no reason why an American ACTOR should be barred from playing the Doctor, as long as the character stays British. It's part of the identity of the show, so keep it that way. British actors play American superheroes and American presidents. Doctor Who should be no different. I have no idea why some of the tabloids and fans get so bent out of shape about it.

Honestly, I am against anyone non-British being cast as the Doctor, and I'm non-British myself. I don't care if they cast someone non-white, a woman, hell I'd accept a donkey. As long as the performer was born in the UK, I'm fine with it. Meanwhile you could have the world's greatest thespian, the very embodiment of acting talent who could be capable of being the best Doctor ever, but if they're not from the UK, I don't want them in the role. That simple.

 

[jbny67]

Please, no
http://zap2it.com/2016/06/doctor-who-season-10-clara-returns-jenna-coleman-peter-capaldi/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

This is also being discussed in the Class thread and it's possible it's a flashback for the series because one of the main characters is an alien in hiding.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, this news is Class-related, not season 10. But even if she were to return in season 10, it's not too surprising, given how Hell Bent ended.

Actually, if anything, I'm almost certain Clara will be in the 2017 Christmas special, given we know that will be Moffat's last episode and it could very well be Capaldi's as well.

 

[Starkers]

^Hopefully it won't be another Time of the Doctor where he has to fit a bazillion things into a single hour

 

[Lonemagpie]

III was always bummed that we never got to see Yeoh again. (I also heard rumors that Berry's role in Die Another Day was originally going to be a return of Yeoh's character. But sadly, that never happened either.)

Not quite - Yeoh's character would have been a cameo, in place of the Chinese secret service guy running the hotel in Hong Kong, who gets Bond a passport and a ticket to Cuba.

Earlier, Teri Hatcher's character in TND was originally meant to have been Natalya from Goldeneye...

 

[Samurai8472]

Part of my problem with Spectre, and if anything Moneypenny isn't the worst offender, is that all of Bond's support staff get shoehorned into the action in some way. The franchise needs stripping back, and fine if there's a way to insert M and co into the action, but don't do it for the sake of it. Really I just want Bond to get on with his mission after a quick bit of banter with Moneypenny, some hurumphing from M and after Q tells him to return his exploding underpants in one piece...

That's what happens when you hire people who are too famous.

You just don't give ralph fiennes a 5 minute role.

They got themselves into that situation. To underutilize them would be a crime.