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New Abrams interview about the next Trek movie...

Well, I hope the first thing they do is make clear if Shatner will be in it or not.
I don't think I can take two more years of threads about it. :lol:
 
surely no one wants that!
but isn't a cast list usually the first thing that is released about any upcoming film? so we should find out whether it includes shatner by, say.... next spring.
so, only about a year of threads about it. yikes.
 
Well heres my shot at the next movie, Do the end of speace seed like (Thingol Wrote) Have Shatner play MUDD, Mudd and kirk meet, at some bar, on a star base. Mudd tells Kirk about the Doomsday Machine but this time its dead in space, Mudd says he will take Kirk to it but, He and his woman need a ride to a plant called Janus IV, after he shows them.

So the ENT and the Constellation's, go off to check it out, and find the Doomsday Machine, but also find 3 Klingon ships With Koloth, Kor, Kang.
 
so when are we getting spoilers for the new movie? I'm waaaaating.... come on, JJ, get with it!!
Ooo, spoiler jones.

Well, I hope the first thing they do is make clear if Shatner will be in it or not.
I don't think I can take two more years of threads about it. :lol:
I don't think the Shat can, either!
And you know that it's exactly what we're going to be in for, too, no matter what TPTB say or don't say.
 
As far as shades of gray not working in a "summer blockbuster" I would say that TDK has many shades of gray, with an interesting well organized story. Shades of gray don't mean no compelling story, or lack of conflict. This could be a smart, yet entertaining summer film.

I'm sure that some will see this as "too complex" to fly and too much detail the new fan won't want. I still think it could work.

Right. The Dark Knight establishes a minimum baseline of moral complexity that you can put into a blockbuster and still make a mint. But complexity need not mean only darkness and shades and grey. Optimistic, humanist values can be complex, too, if properly tested against their opposites in a dramatic story.

Pike says that the Federation is a "humanitarian and peace keeping armada". Let's put that to the test, maybe with a Klingon plot as suggested by the quoted poster, maybe with something else. (And if you want your moral complexity in the villain himself, well, let's just say of the four main Trek villain races: Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, and Borg, it isn't even remotely close which of those is the most morally complicated....) ;)

I'm not saying it has to be dark, but it doesn't need black hats and white hats to differentiate the good from bad. Moral ambiguity is almost exclusively a quality seen in struggles to do the right thing (what a "humanitarian armada" would do), as opposed to doing what's expedient, (we'll take what we want, no matter the cost to others) Doing good ALWAYS involves shades, not absolutes.

Glad you like the concept, I know I'd be excited to see this movie!
 
Sometimes moral complexity can be used as an excuse for evil people to get away with doing what they want to.

I liked that DS9 episode where Sisko engineered that Romulan involvement in the war. I like all section 31 episodes. They were understandable to me.
 
How about Tom Cruise as a 23rd century M:I agent gone bad ? 2 birds one stone for Abrams :p:p

*shudders*

I don't know... I want the sequel to do good... :p

Actually, I think the former Tom is better at ego suppression than the latter Tom.

Plus Hanks is less likely to step on Pine's toes, since Cruise and Pine are "similar" in their intensity.
 
How about Tom Hanks as a Section 31 operative? Interesting confrontation between means versus ends...

Whatever they get him to play, I sure hope that *somebody* gets Hanks on board! Does Abrams know that one of the biggest box office draws in Hollywood is a gigantic Trekkie? That's major bank potential, baby! :bolian:
 
Moore and Braga made a similar choice with First Contact. They started out with an idea of doing a Borg movie much like Aliens and having the crew battle the hordes of nameless monsters that are more like a force of nature. But they felt they needed to personify the threat in the Borg Queen. Of course, the makers of Aliens ended up making about the same choice.

Bad choice in both cases.

But, to play devil's advocate, Abrams has a point. "The Unknown" as the antagonist sounds good but would probably just result in a Voyager-style anomoly of the week story.
 
but, see, if they redo Khan, they might as well redo Q.

I'd rather see redone Q than redone Khan.
 
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