Also not one of my faves.
Nemesis is better than Insurrection: Convince me otherwise.
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It's interesting that in the scenes when Picard urges Shinzon to "become a better person" etc., he speaks purely from a soft religious, morality based definition of "better" as in being compassionate, helping others, etc. and automatically assumes that Shinzon, who was raised entirely in the Romulan Empire, is familiar with this definition of "better". I was half-expecting Shinzon to say, "Dude, I'm literally Praetor of the Romulan Empire and you're an old guy who's still just a captain, I'm already a better person than you".
Nemesis had a great space battle. Still too short I think. The Scimitar was a little over powered. I didn't mind Shini's malevolence against the federation, he conquered Romulus, and now the big fed was the looming power he had to respect. Although an anti bio weapon is a bit rough, he's just a psychopath, nothing deeper, which is a shame being a Picard counterpart. Every Romulan ship after the D(cant remember the name) class is disapointing. Hellboy had great moments.
In Insurrection, it annoys me that another race is on par techno wise with the federation. I liked how Admiral Doughty was not completely diabolical. Some of the jokes land. I liked the leader's darkseid outfit. Holoships feel underused.
In Insurrection, it annoys me that another race is on par techno wise with the federation. I liked how Admiral Doughty was not completely diabolical. Some of the jokes land. I liked the leader's darkseid outfit. Holoships feel underused.
If Nemesis was directed by someone besides Stuart Baird, someone more familiar with Trek lore, it would definitely be more watchable. When I do rematch it, it is usually just the last third of the movie or so.
Just think how different Nemesis would've been if directed by Jonathan Frakes or Nicholas Meyer!
Just think how different Nemesis would've been if directed by Jonathan Frakes or Nicholas Meyer!
I gotta say, the only Star Trek TNG-Movie I don't like wholeheartedly is "Generations" - but that comes with the ending of Kirk kicking the bucket. The other movies are pretty solid.
I don't care for the space battle in Nemesis. Not at all. I thought it was just a cookie cutter, by the numbers bit of sci-fi action. I think the space battles in DS9 are far, far superior.
The effects were good. Was it missing emotional drive? I think it lacked that slow battle of wits. But it didn't resort to unusual moves like throwing asteroids which I liked. It looked good and felt fair I thought.
Nemesis is more problematic in that Shinzon really has no reason to hate the Federation. They've done nothing to him. He should hate the Romulans and the movie should've been Picard trying to stop Shinzon from committing genocide against the Romulans. It would add a moral dilemma where Picard and especially Worf have to grapple with trying to save their historical enemy because allowing them all to die just because of past Tal Shiar (who aren't the entire Romulan population) atrocities is morally wrong. It could've been TNG's counterpart to the Undiscovered Country, where Kirk has to grapple with saving the Klingons instead of letting them die, even though the Klingons hate him.
Shinzon would have a stronger argument against Picard by saying, "Why are you stopping me from killing the Romulans? They killed Worf's parents and r---- Tasha Yar. I won't force you to help me commit genocide, just look the other way while I do it and you don't have to get your hands dirty". (Picard's done similarly in the past in regards to Worf's stepbrother's adopted people in the name of the Prime Directive in that one TNG episode) These would be compelling ethical dilemmas that would be tackled that would make Nemesis more than just a dumb action movie by dealing with questions that are still relevant today.
If they were REALLY thinking ahead and planning everything out, Nemesis would've ended with Picard stopping Shinzon's massacre of the Romulans only for a post-credits scene to reveal that he sabotaged Romulus' sun, setting up the supernova storyline that's the basis for Star Trek 2009.
Shinzon would have a stronger argument against Picard by saying, "Why are you stopping me from killing the Romulans? They killed Worf's parents and r---- Tasha Yar. I won't force you to help me commit genocide, just look the other way while I do it and you don't have to get your hands dirty". (Picard's done similarly in the past in regards to Worf's stepbrother's adopted people in the name of the Prime Directive in that one TNG episode) These would be compelling ethical dilemmas that would be tackled that would make Nemesis more than just a dumb action movie by dealing with questions that are still relevant today.
If they were REALLY thinking ahead and planning everything out, Nemesis would've ended with Picard stopping Shinzon's massacre of the Romulans only for a post-credits scene to reveal that he sabotaged Romulus' sun, setting up the supernova storyline that's the basis for Star Trek 2009.
Well...the films really lacked that.
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