Oh? How so?
I don't believe I implied any such thing. It was the opposite of this, in fact. Maybe there's a miscommunication going on here..?
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Nemesis - I Just Couldn't Be Bothered
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You've been holding that in for 10 years? Damn...
I saw all of the TNG films twice in the theatre except for Star Trek: Nemesis; it really was a disappointment and not something that I felt like revisiting. I've only seen it once on home video since, and it didn't do any better a job of holding my interest. I'm sure I'll see it at some point when I finally pick up the TNG movies on Blu-Ray, but I'm not in any rush.
By that logic, it's all been said. Let's shut down every subforum save the new Trek movie one.
I meant in the sense that it has been supplanted by the JJ films. Debating a 2 hour film is not the same as debating an entire series like ENT or VOY. VOY had 7 years and 172 hours of television to get it right, and VOY is largely unbalanced and there is a lot to critique about it. ENT had 4 years and 98 hours of tv to get things right, and they only started to pull things together in their 4th season.
NEM tried to deliver something different and failed to catch fire with general audiences and fans. You'll take the time to appreciate that there are many similarities to NEM and ST09, and yet one was poorly received while the other has received nearly universal acclaim. My theory is that if NEM had made more money people would be kinder to it but since it barley made back it's budget people justify that to bash the film harder than they should. Hell JJ's ST09 is really just a copy and paste of other Trek films, Trek shows and Star Wars ideas wrapped up in a $150 million package and so many praise it as being a "fresh and smart" take on the franchise.
NEM tried to deliver something different and failed to catch fire with general audiences and fans. You'll take the time to appreciate that there are many similarities to NEM and ST09, and yet one was poorly received while the other has received nearly universal acclaim. My theory is that if NEM had made more money people would be kinder to it but since it barley made back it's budget people justify that to bash the film harder than they should. Hell JJ's ST09 is really just a copy and paste of other Trek films, Trek shows and Star Wars ideas wrapped up in a $150 million package and so many praise it as being a "fresh and smart" take on the franchise.
Which is exactly why the dune buggy scene was such a stupid idea. We saw 7 years of Picard on TNG, and he is NOTHING like what we see in Nemesis. Wanting to add more depth to your character is one thing, but essentially turning your character into yourself when that character is so fundamentally different from you, just to satisfy some ego trip, is the height of idiocy.
Honestly, the dune buggy scene didn't bother me. It may have been cool if attached to a better movie.
Considering they had a perfectly good shuttle at the ready, the dune buggy seemed pretty stupid. What did it offer them that the shuttle couldn't do? The Abrams movie came up with a better reason for a car chase, and wisely kept it brief, rather than make it an action centerpiece like it was in Star Trek: Nemesis.
Honestly, the car chase felt just as wrong.
I don't think it was about what a dune buggy could do vs. a shuttle, I think it was simply there to give the audience something new to look at.
As far as story logic goes, why even go down? They could've merely beamed the pieces aboard...
Well, the story logic is all over the place. They go to the trouble of establishing that it's a pre-warp civilization, and then Picard and co. go make a mess of the planet for...some reason? I suppose it's possible they couldn't get a precise fix on the pieces, requiring them to go down and gather them personally, but they could have been a bit stealthier about it. (Also, why not just beam the buggy up when they completed their mission rather than race back to the shuttle and cause a whole lot of trouble?).
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like some others here, I'm somewhat baffled by the disdain NEM receives from so many Trek fans. Far from being the worst of the Trek films, it's not even the worst of the TNG ones. INS has that dubious honor, for its crappy premise and pathetic humor. It's not that good, but it's not terrible either. In the lower tier of Trek movies but not at the bottom.
NEM is the soft target because it bombed horribly at the box office and ended the Trek film franchise for a while. Had it been released in '98 and its position with INS been flipped, both movies' performances would likely have been flipped.
NEM suffered from being poorly marketed and from being released at a time when Trek was in serious decline.
NEM is the soft target because it bombed horribly at the box office and ended the Trek film franchise for a while. Had it been released in '98 and its position with INS been flipped, both movies' performances would likely have been flipped.
NEM suffered from being poorly marketed and from being released at a time when Trek was in serious decline.
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