Not sure I hate the idea, but it has the byproduct of making the Federation feel really small.
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Not sure I hate the idea, but it has the byproduct of making the Federation feel really small.
Which is what happened with nuBSG, both with the ship and the characters.
The main difference, of course, is that nuBSG never tried to pretend that it existed in the same continuity as old BSG, or that the titular ship in question was the exact same ship as the original, or have its fans go through hoops to come up with retcons as to why everything looks different, or why Starbuck is now suddenly a woman, etc. Ron Moore really wasn't about insulting the intelligence of his audience, or feeling the need to use old BSG as a crutch because he didn't trust that his own show would be able to stand on its own.
And that's...bad?
Good to know Kurtzman is all about insulting us viewers.
Oh please. She's had work done.Except the original actor is Alive and well and looks exactly the same age.
This response makes it sound like you think I'm head-over-heels about the DSC/SNW Enterprise. To be totally 100% clear, I'm not. "Gets the job done" means I think it did what it intended to do. I don't agree with what it intended to do because, like I said, it's trying to please too many masters. But if their goal was, "Make a ship that looks like it came between the NX-01 and the TMP Refit!" they did it. I didn't say I thought the DSC/SNW Enterprise was some awesome design and that I'd cover up all my walls with posters of it.
And I'm not a fan of the NX-01 as you know, or ENT. So, trust me, I'm not the type who would complain if ENT was totally ignored. It's just that I'm not going to complain if it's acknowledged either. My opinion of SNW in general is one step above my opinion of ENT. I like some episodes, but I'm not hooked on the series, and if it ended tomorrow I wouldn't care, but I'm not going to be rooting for its demise either.
Not really, no.
And insult to have weight must be personal.
Kurtzman and his relationship to me is anything but personal. I can't be insulted by this work.
It's not alive.Except the original actor is Alive and well and looks exactly the same age.
Good to know.
Since it appears this thread and this other one over in Trek Tech are being held somewhat in parallel, would it make sense for one to be merged into the other?
At least, it feels as if the reply I would post to this thread would more or less be the same as what I posted recently over in that one...
At least, it feels as if the reply I would post to this thread would more or less be the same as what I posted recently over in that one...
Sub Rosa has entered the chat.
Ooofffff... such a bad example to use.
A sub par episode. (No pun inten... who are we kidding? Pun most certainly intended.
)There is another example of a ship being a character.
Alice, from "ALICE".
Alice, from "ALICE".
Zora from DISCO
Is Herbie a character?
How about KITT from Knightrider?
How about KITT from Knightrider?
Both Moya from FarScape and Lexx from Lexx are examples of ships in science-fiction too.
Whether either is sentient is debatable. Moya is probably closer to the definition, but in practice is basically an FTL capable space whale who can only communicate when linked to a pilot.
Whether either is sentient is debatable. Moya is probably closer to the definition, but in practice is basically an FTL capable space whale who can only communicate when linked to a pilot.
A character is someone who.has agency, can be interacted with and responds to that interaction.
The Enterprise is an input/output device that also serves as a vehicle for the crew to adventures. Being sentimental doesn't make an inanimate object a character.
The Enterprise is an input/output device that also serves as a vehicle for the crew to adventures. Being sentimental doesn't make an inanimate object a character.
For some, not for others.
