NCAA hands down sanctions against Penn St... wow!!
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Yeah, everyone said that the death penalty would have been better.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this was an NCAA issue. It's a legal issue and those involve should be (and are being) prosecuted, but there are many of univolved people who worked hard as students who are being punished too. Why should they lose their hard-earned wins because of this?
Generally, NCAA sanctions should be because a team did something that gave it a competitive advantage (e.g., paying money to recruit players) and the sanctions help restore things. But this should just have been a criminal matter, not a sports matter.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this was an NCAA issue. It's a legal issue and those involve should be (and are being) prosecuted, but there are many of univolved people who worked hard as students who are being punished too. Why should they lose their hard-earned wins because of this?
Generally, NCAA sanctions should be because a team did something that gave it a competitive advantage (e.g., paying money to recruit players) and the sanctions help restore things. But this should just have been a criminal matter, not a sports matter.
It also means the players who played for him didn't win any games either, though.
His legacy would always have this mark anyway. You don't need to retroactively erase numbers to create a stigma. And his number of wins would be broken by someone else because all records are made to be broken.
His legacy would always have this mark anyway. You don't need to retroactively erase numbers to create a stigma. And his number of wins would be broken by someone else because all records are made to be broken.
Penn State won those games with a coach who should've been disqualified for the things he did. Therefore stuff gets erased.
The students should be mad at Paterno (well, he's dead) and the Penn State officials who were responsible for covering up.
Is it wrong that I feel bad for the players and student athletes and those future athletes who probably wish they were going to a different school? I understand the reason why these punishments were given, but what sickens me the most (And the same thing happened with USC and their scandals) is it affects the innocents just as bad as those who it should affect, if that makes any sense.
Under the terms of the ruling, Penn State athletes can transfer without penalty (and transfers will not count against programs' scholarship limits), and incoming student-athletes have been released from their letters of intent, meaning that they're free to talk to any school they want to.
It's also worth noting that the NCAA saying that Penn State signed a consent decree is essentially doublespeak -- the school is totally on-board with this. Granted, I'm sure it was coerced under threat of the death penalty, but no one involved will ever admit that.
The way Mike-n-Mike were discussing whether this was an NCAA matter today made sense. It seems to turn upon more than just Paterno's actions. The actions of the higher-ups seemed to be consciously undertaken to protect the team's and the school's reputation, ability to recruit, etc. Consequently, it appears to fall under the authority of the NCAA. That's the way it sounded at least.
I do believe the NCAA overstepped it's authority and has set itself up to expand on this new precedent at their own descreation. I also find it hard to believe that Penn State's bowl ban is for only two years more than USC received for much less of an infraction. Also, Penn State loses only an average of 10 scholarships per year for 4 years compared to 30 for USC ove approximately the same period. If you're going to overstep authority and set a new precedent for sanctions, then go for it. They shoudl have hit them with the Death Penalty in addition to all the other penalties. Sounds like they kinda cut Penn State a break. I really hate the NCAA.
However, I also think that Penn State's football program will suffer from the scandal for many many years. Can anyone imagine any but the lowliest high school or J.C. prospects accepting a scholarship to play ball there for the forseeable future?
However, I also think that Penn State's football program will suffer from the scandal for many many years. Can anyone imagine any but the lowliest high school or J.C. prospects accepting a scholarship to play ball there for the forseeable future?
That's good news, but it does make me wonder, after this who would want to go to Penn State. It seems like this ruling has turned the football program into ruins at this point.
Stewart Mandel of CNNSI.com is one of my favorite sportswriters. He makes some good points here, about the way the NCAA seems to adjust its rules on the fly. You can believe that any further punitive actions the NCAA takes from here on out for awhile will be examined carefully, in light of the way they handled the Penn St scandal.
The loss of ten scholarships per year hurts, but it's far from extreme. Penn State will return to being a major power in football within five years, maybe six.
Fun little bit of trivia: After the NCAA's ruling, the last PSU quarterback to field a winning team is now Mike McQueary.
See, that's the part that bugs me. I can understand wanting to punish the University (hence the sanctions looking forward) and I could understand wanting to punish Paterno, but all those athletes in between who no longer "won" at Penn State kinda bugs me.
Those athletes who no longer "won" will be just fine. It won't affect their careers or monetary earnings in any way, shape, or form. It's a symbolic gesture to punish Paterno with which I fully agree. He shouldn't be credited in the record books.
Sorry, but this was loss of instituational control to horrific, unthinkable extremes. It is an NCAA as well as a criminal matter. The "cult" had to be broken. It's not just the university; it's the community. This is going to reduce Penn State to an FCS level team. No one with better than walk on talent is going to want to attend the school and that's the point. It's going to take longer than four years for PSU to become a power house again, especially since it wasn't a powerhouse before the scandal broke last October. It's not as if the bowl ban ends and Penn State will be magically restored the next season.
I have no problem whatsoever with these penalities, only that they didn't go far enough. More scholarships should have been stripped. Me? If I were in charge I'd have given them the death penalty, but what Emmert has done may be worse. If athletes were compelled to stay I would agree that this was unfair, but they can transfer without penalty and be immediately eligible. Other schools are being encouraged to "make room" and do what they can if a PSU athelete transfers. Kids are being let out of their letters of intent. They can always redshirt a year at another school. Your four years of eligibility don't have to take place immediately.
These kids knew this was coming. The new coaching staff knew. No one forced O'Brien to take the job. He already had a good job with the Patriots. There's always collateral damage in probation, but enough is enough with Penn State. Letting a child molester roam your campus for a decade defies description of callous, sickening disregard. Those kids were the real collateral damage. The hammer needed to come down hard. If the Freeh report isn't ample enough evidence, what is? You think someone who would hide a pedophile wouldn't commit recruiting violations or cover up student offenses? Apparently, Saint JoePa was the biggest fraud in college football. Penn State was Joe Paterno University and now it's going to pay the price. I only hope Spanier, Curley and Schultz all do jail time.
Sorry, but this was loss of instituational control to horrific, unthinkable extremes. It is an NCAA as well as a criminal matter. The "cult" had to be broken. It's not just the university; it's the community. This is going to reduce Penn State to an FCS level team. No one with better than walk on talent is going to want to attend the school and that's the point. It's going to take longer than four years for PSU to become a power house again, especially since it wasn't a powerhouse before the scandal broke last October. It's not as if the bowl ban ends and Penn State will be magically restored the next season.
I have no problem whatsoever with these penalities, only that they didn't go far enough. More scholarships should have been stripped. Me? If I were in charge I'd have given them the death penalty, but what Emmert has done may be worse. If athletes were compelled to stay I would agree that this was unfair, but they can transfer without penalty and be immediately eligible. Other schools are being encouraged to "make room" and do what they can if a PSU athelete transfers. Kids are being let out of their letters of intent. They can always redshirt a year at another school. Your four years of eligibility don't have to take place immediately.
These kids knew this was coming. The new coaching staff knew. No one forced O'Brien to take the job. He already had a good job with the Patriots. There's always collateral damage in probation, but enough is enough with Penn State. Letting a child molester roam your campus for a decade defies description of callous, sickening disregard. Those kids were the real collateral damage. The hammer needed to come down hard. If the Freeh report isn't ample enough evidence, what is? You think someone who would hide a pedophile wouldn't commit recruiting violations or cover up student offenses? Apparently, Saint JoePa was the biggest fraud in college football. Penn State was Joe Paterno University and now it's going to pay the price. I only hope Spanier, Curley and Schultz all do jail time.
i think it was fair and just! like goldlock not too hash. not too easy. just right!
But the symbolism hurts the players too, most of whom aren't playing in the NFL and care far more about their symbolic efforts than the result on their paycheck. Paterno, of course, won't be impacted at all by this punishment simply because he isn't here to experience it. What's the point of punishing the dead?
Alidar, most people don't know the players' names who participated in those games. Somehow I think knowing that their beloved Saint JoePa was protecting a child molester in their names so their program wouldn't be affected will hurt them more. That their program is tainted in this way--knowing what was going on at the Lasch building while they played and that everyone knows it--that should be what breaks their hearts, not a vacated record. At the end of the day, it's only football. There were children being raped so that they could continue to play ball without any negative attention surrounding campus. Their football experience isn't what's important.
This is JoePa's fault. It's Sandusky's fault. It's Spanier, Curley, and Schultz's fault. Any lamentation by the players about their vacated records should be directed at these men. The NCAA had to send a message here.
This is JoePa's fault. It's Sandusky's fault. It's Spanier, Curley, and Schultz's fault. Any lamentation by the players about their vacated records should be directed at these men. The NCAA had to send a message here.
Im sort of torn on this. On the one hand this has got to be devistating to all those in the program who weren't creeps and criminals. On the other hand though, if the NCAA didn't take action then it becomes pretty damn hard to condemn other programs if they do something wrong.
You don't think some NFL coach might decide to be a jackass and kick a player off the team just because they came from Penn State?
No, I don't. These players have contracts and a labor union who'll go to bat for them. No NFL coach is going to open that can of worms. You don't kick someone off the team in professional sports like you do in college. They allow dog fighters, drunk drivers who kill and potential rapists to play football. You think they're going to release someone from their contract for having played college ball at Penn State? It's not even on their radar.
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