My Gripes with STID!
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Well, and because it's just so damn funny.
"I don't read the script. Script reads me!"
"What do you mean - 'You people?'"
"What do you mean - 'You people?'"
Back to the griping, how is it that an average sized human (Kirk) is able to - while subsequently dying from radiation poisoning - kick a giant buzzy electrical thingy back into alignment, and why wouldn't the surface be to dangerous for him to touch or grab on to?
It's been a while (since it was in theaters, really), but from what really irritated me about STID:
-Kirk's death scene was lifted almost verbatim from Wrath of Khan. I was actually quoting Wrath of Khan in the theater, and almost got it EXACTLY as they were saying it on screen. (Yes, I've seen WoK that much).
-magic cure-all blood
-can't beam moving objects (still a gripe in the first movie too)
-Emo Rage Spock again
-warp speed contrails. Why? It's warping space, so why is there exhaust??
-Chekov as a boy genius engineer when that's not his training and there are more qualified officers there...like the assistant chief engineer
-iBridge by Apple
-lens flares
-Enterprise hiding underwater. That was just stupid. It was done just to look cool. A starship isn't designed to be underwater. They could've just taken a shuttle. What irritates me about JJ-verse is that things happen because they look cool, not because they make sense or would be in any stretch logical or realistic. (yes, I know it's sci-fi, but at least most of Trek has been logical enough to suspend disbelief).
-the Klingon. Uhura's pronunciation hurt.
-Kirk's quick promotion to starship captain, even quicker than in TOS, still is baffling in an organization that seems more military than TOS. This Kirk is less than a tenth of the officer that real Kirk was. Real Kirk might've bucked rules, but there were just about always extenuating circumstances justifying them. Look at Court Martial and Where No Man Has Gone Before. They establish Kirk more as a by-the-book kind of officer who goes by his training. This new Kirk seems not to be as rational or capable an officer in comparison. I could make a more effective comparison by watching the movie again, but then I'd get mad at it all over again.
-Vengeance starship design, kind of looked like a bottle opener, and it's ridiculous to waste space by making the saucer a ring instead of a saucer. How much longer from the forward-most point on the ship would it take to get to the bridge in an emergency in such a ship? Structural stresses? Why's there a set of moving plates over the deflector? What if they get stuck?
-emo-witch Uhura bringing her personal garbage onto a mission, interrupting a mission. Wasn't she trained at Starfleet Academy not to bring your personal baggage to work? Isn't everyone? This Starfleet seems more military than even TOS did, so I'd expect the personal baggage crap to have been trained right out of Uhura during basic training.
-Uhura-Spock still makes no sense, even moreso now that there are supposedly only 10,000 Vulcans left (what about all the Vulcans on starships, on Earth, elsewhere? That's got to be several tens of thousands more). It would be logical that Spock find a Vulcan female when Pon Farr hits.
-Enterprise still is a mis-shapen mess. Engineering juts forward too much, nacelles are too big for the pylons, the saucer is too big for the engineering hull, there's a brewery where engineering should be, and did anyone else notice the giant gaping hole in the middle of the saucer inside?? How did anyone decide that (a) wasting that much space was good design, and (b) wasting that much space with open air would be safe in an environment with variable gravity? Besides...being a waste of space...it's completely unsafe, causing a number of railing kills (MST3K reference).
If I were to watch it again, I could come up with even more.
The good part though:
-dress uniforms vs duty uniforms. I really really liked the dress uniforms as an homage to TMP, and for looking like dress uniforms, esp. with the cover.
-aliens seem to be more present in the crew, showing the Federation as not just a "homo sapiens only club."
-Kirk's death scene was lifted almost verbatim from Wrath of Khan. I was actually quoting Wrath of Khan in the theater, and almost got it EXACTLY as they were saying it on screen. (Yes, I've seen WoK that much).
-magic cure-all blood
-can't beam moving objects (still a gripe in the first movie too)
-Emo Rage Spock again
-warp speed contrails. Why? It's warping space, so why is there exhaust??
-Chekov as a boy genius engineer when that's not his training and there are more qualified officers there...like the assistant chief engineer
-iBridge by Apple
-lens flares
-Enterprise hiding underwater. That was just stupid. It was done just to look cool. A starship isn't designed to be underwater. They could've just taken a shuttle. What irritates me about JJ-verse is that things happen because they look cool, not because they make sense or would be in any stretch logical or realistic. (yes, I know it's sci-fi, but at least most of Trek has been logical enough to suspend disbelief).
-the Klingon. Uhura's pronunciation hurt.
-Kirk's quick promotion to starship captain, even quicker than in TOS, still is baffling in an organization that seems more military than TOS. This Kirk is less than a tenth of the officer that real Kirk was. Real Kirk might've bucked rules, but there were just about always extenuating circumstances justifying them. Look at Court Martial and Where No Man Has Gone Before. They establish Kirk more as a by-the-book kind of officer who goes by his training. This new Kirk seems not to be as rational or capable an officer in comparison. I could make a more effective comparison by watching the movie again, but then I'd get mad at it all over again.
-Vengeance starship design, kind of looked like a bottle opener, and it's ridiculous to waste space by making the saucer a ring instead of a saucer. How much longer from the forward-most point on the ship would it take to get to the bridge in an emergency in such a ship? Structural stresses? Why's there a set of moving plates over the deflector? What if they get stuck?
-emo-witch Uhura bringing her personal garbage onto a mission, interrupting a mission. Wasn't she trained at Starfleet Academy not to bring your personal baggage to work? Isn't everyone? This Starfleet seems more military than even TOS did, so I'd expect the personal baggage crap to have been trained right out of Uhura during basic training.
-Uhura-Spock still makes no sense, even moreso now that there are supposedly only 10,000 Vulcans left (what about all the Vulcans on starships, on Earth, elsewhere? That's got to be several tens of thousands more). It would be logical that Spock find a Vulcan female when Pon Farr hits.
-Enterprise still is a mis-shapen mess. Engineering juts forward too much, nacelles are too big for the pylons, the saucer is too big for the engineering hull, there's a brewery where engineering should be, and did anyone else notice the giant gaping hole in the middle of the saucer inside?? How did anyone decide that (a) wasting that much space was good design, and (b) wasting that much space with open air would be safe in an environment with variable gravity? Besides...being a waste of space...it's completely unsafe, causing a number of railing kills (MST3K reference).
If I were to watch it again, I could come up with even more.
The good part though:
-dress uniforms vs duty uniforms. I really really liked the dress uniforms as an homage to TMP, and for looking like dress uniforms, esp. with the cover.
-aliens seem to be more present in the crew, showing the Federation as not just a "homo sapiens only club."
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That thought had crossed my mind on a viewing. The only thing I can say is whatever he was doing with that buzzy electrical thingy still made more sense visually than what Spock was doing in the chamber in TWOK.
There's also something satisfying in seeing Kirk get the warp core back on line just by giving it a swift kick (well, several). Very anti-technobabble, and an homage to all of us whose first thought on how to fix something is to give it a boot.
While Kirk is of average size, I think it was established through TOS and in ST09 that he has a very strong physical constitution, so I didn't really have a problem with that part.
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I have found, in my many years of Star Trek viewing experience, that my life is much improved if I do not worry about various implausibilities and canon. If Star Trek ever becomes such a cerebral event that I cannot sustain it without paging through a physics book or a Star Trek encyclopedia to verify its various statements and events, I hope that I would take a nice warm bath with a plugged-in toaster oven in my lap.
I always thought it fun to try to piece Star Trek's various discontinuities together.
Congratulations. I literally just face-palmed, for the first time in my life.
*high five*
Also variously known as "percussive maintenance" or the "bigger hammer" theory of engineering.
Seriously. The pronunciation of a made-up language belonging to a made-up alien critter in a movie really matters to somebody enough for it to be a problem? Fuck me.
For those who understand said language, it's just as important as being mindful of fictional history and technical specifications is to many fans.
However, while we enjoy bickering about it, most of us realize that we are a very small group that's very difficult to please.
With that being said ... Zoe Saldana's Klingon pronunciation is excellent! She had two Klingon language coaches, and the one who coached her when reading the lines that were used in the final cut was none less than Marc Okrand, the creator of the language himself.
On top of that, she seems to be very good at mimicking other languages; probably got a lot of practice when making Avatar.
In fact, many klingonists have noted that Uhura seems to speak better Klingon than the Klingon officer to whom she's talking; this is likely because the latter did not have a language coach present when recording the final cut's lines, so he had to do the best he could with the recordings that had been prepared for him; with that in mind, he did very well.
In general, while I was not big fan of STID, and I thought the whole Qo'noS diversion was a bit pointless and unfulfilling, I would like to praise J.J. and crew for investing the time and resources to produce authentic tlhIngan Hol dialogue.
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I do just fine with Bingon. LOL!
Just kidding.
What I also liked about the scene with the Klingons is that they got the crew complement right for the Bird of Prey that landed in front of the K'normian shuttle. 12 Klingons stood there, waiting to confront whomever came out to face them.
Just kidding.
What I also liked about the scene with the Klingons is that they got the crew complement right for the Bird of Prey that landed in front of the K'normian shuttle. 12 Klingons stood there, waiting to confront whomever came out to face them.
Ecstatically sew.
It's all fun and games until you poke someone's eye out.
The perspective of an actual Klingon speaker is nice to hear. This is one area of fandom that I basically know nada about.
This was actually done in "Nemesis" as well. They're just special effects is all. Not worth getting upset over.
Someone tell Geordi.
Which one?
Not that many this time.
No, it's designed to give the viewer something to look at between scenes. It's not real.
They did.
No.
First, there is no "real" Kirk. Secondly they address the very thing you're talking about in the film. Getting "mad" at things like this isn't worth it.
Why is the bridge the easiest target on the starship? Why are the nacelles supported by the thinnest part of the ship?
Call maintenance?
You should check out.. oh.. any other Star Trek in existence.
Why? Two people that like each other?
Why???
This is like saying you're "mad" at the Undiscovered Country because you don't like the Constitution-Refit design.. that debuted several films earlier. This is not a complaint against STID. The ship wasn't changing.
This isn't real, you know.
No offense, but it sounds like you're just naming off things just to be upset about them, not that these are actually "upsetting" things in any way.
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