My Grievances of Nutrek. What makes me a hater...

[MakeshiftPython]

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That's kind of why I like Trek a lot more than Star Wars is because it can do many different kind of stories whether it's an allegory touching on philosophical issues, it can be court drama, a "who dunnit" story, or just a plain old outrageous romp. That's why I say DS9 comes closer to the TOS model because it wasn't afraid to go all across the board, even if the main storyline involved war because there's so much to life even in the darkest of times.

 

[Harbinger]

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Star Wars is quite distinct from Star Trek. Disregard my moronic statement of Star Trek being a slightly more serious Star Wars. Not even sure why I said that. In a rut so I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

MakeshiftPython has a good point about ST going into different stories. There's so much variety because it's based on discovery or exploration.

 

[BigJake]

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Not even sure why I said that. In a rut so I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

Sounds like you could use a pick-me-up, friend:

(Please consume responsibly. )

 

[Kemaiku]

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If that's pure Romulan Ale, I assume by responsibly, you mean 'drink this over the next week if you want to live'

 

[BigJake]

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A week to ten days, depending on body weight... and distance to nearest medical facility.

 

[BillJ]

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Romulan Ale has nothing on Scotty's Scotch and Klingon Nerve Gas concoction.

God, Scotty really was an alcoholic.

 

[Kemaiku]

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Romulan Ale has nothing on Scotty's Scotch and Klingon Nerve Gas concoction.

God, Scotty really was an alcoholic.

The man worked on the most dangerous ship in the fleet in red uniform week to week for at least 5 years. You think a little neurotoxin in his gut-rot is going to kill him?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

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I'd love to see Scotty take on bloodwine, "you may be Klingon devils, but you know how to drink!"

 

[Noname Given]

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Anyone who can sit through several Ferengi episodes and claim there was "no camp" in DS9 needs their head examined.

And - "Move Along Home" or "Our Man Bashir"

 

[MakeshiftPython]

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"Move Along Home" felt like an episode that belonged in the third season of TOS. It's so surreal to watch Kira play an alien version of hopscotch.

 

[ChowdaHead]

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Not even sure why I said that. In a rut so I don't know what I'm saying anymore.

Sounds like you could use a pick-me-up, friend:

(Please consume responsibly. )

L-O-f*ckin L

 

[Kemaiku]

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Anyone who can sit through several Ferengi episodes and claim there was "no camp" in DS9 needs their head examined.

And - "Move Along Home" or "Our Man Bashir"

Move Along Home, good grief, that one would need Scotty's level of drinking to cope with.

 

[Timewalker]

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Enterprise boring? Did you try and watch season 3? The Xindi arc is amazing and some of the best ST I've ever seen. Was pleasantly surprised by it, actually.

I've stated several times that I don't like the Enterprise characters. I found them unlikeable, with the exception of the dog. He was cute.

Having revisited the show just recently, I can totally understand that given how badly written the characters were in the first two seasons. However, the third season was a real shot in the arm making the characters for the first time truly interesting and compelling to watch. A prime example is the portrayal of Trip, who started off as a dumb Southern charmer stereotype and then becomes a broken man trying to hide from pain he felt over the loss of his kid sister. Suddenly I started to actually care for them as people because the writers started to treat them as such rather than a bunch of cardboard cut outs. Give ENT a chance and maybe you'll find something rewarding in the end, I think it's totally worth giving it a shot for those later episodes. The fourth season, as many say, has some of the best Trek in the franchise.

Heck, season three does a better rip-off of Star Wars than Abrams Trek.

Ripping off Star Wars is hardly a recommendation in favor.

If Enterprise ever becomes available on Netflix, I'll give it another try. But I reserve the right to give up again if I continue to find it too ridiculous, too boring, or if Trip's accent annoys me too much.

If you'll notice, a lot of stuff that was meant to be serious was campy. I find Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, Baywatch are all campy. In the future I will see people say "Look how campy Law and Order is with that camera shaking all over place. Everyone has an accusing attitude. HEy look that guy on CSI miami always walks sideways".

If something is meant to be serious, then by definition it can't be camp. That the production values or directing style seem outdated or quaint by comparison to shows being produced now isn't enough; "camp" implies conscious and deliberate exaggeration - it winks at you and says "Yes, I know." The Batman TV series was nearly always camp, for example, but Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Big Valley, Rifleman, Perry Mason, Ironside, and the original Star Trek series were not (though one could reasonably argue that there were moments in Trek's "Trouble With Tribbles" or "Piece of the Action" or "I, Mudd" episodes which were played camp.)

You must have missed the episodes of Bonanza that were intentionally funny. There were some.

This is why I rank DS9 the best of all the spin-offs because that one wasn't afraid to get into the kind of comedic romps that TOS would have. I think TNG could have used more of that, though I understand Berman was very afraid of trying to do that because of earlier attempts like "The Naked Now" falling flat on its face. I don't put down TNG too much for not having as much humor as I'd like, because it does really shine with its own great episodes and I do admire some of the more dry humor they attempted in the last two seasons such as Data giving Worf his cat to take care of in "Phantasms".

I never found it funny that Data wanted Worf to take care of the cat. Data doesn't respect his own cat enough to be sure if it's male or female, he doesn't consider his cat sentient (any true cat parent will tell you otherwise), and Worf hates cats. So how was that anything funny?

You're forgetting that TNG had quite a few of these over the years, they were just a lot better organized and mixed with serious content more fluidly. Take, for example, all of the Q episodes, all of the Luwaxana episodes...

Not all of Lwaxana's episodes were meant to be funny. The one guest starring David Ogden Stiers (where his character faced mandatory euthanasia just for having reached a particular age) was definitely a serious episode.

6. Chekov - Yeah that is not Chekov...well he's Chekov, but he's not Pavel. He's Pavel's older brother...

This is really the only thing I can disagree with you about. I HATED Chekov in the TOS series, he was better in the movies though. Nu Chekov is better, but the character is supposed to be the most junior officer, so in order to wedge him in they had to make him this Doogie Hauser/Wesley Crusher genius boy. I actually would have preferred that they kept him out of the first movie.

Serious question: Why was nuChekov wearing those silly goggles? Were they to protect his eyes from something? Were they to help him see something better?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

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Not all of Lwaxana's episodes were meant to be funny. The one guest starring David Ogden Stiers (where his character faced mandatory euthanasia just for having reached a particular age) was definitely a serious episode.

Ditto for Dark Page, the one where we find out about Troi's sister, Kestra. I always rate both of these episodes among TNG's best.

 

[CorporalClegg]

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If Enterprise ever becomes available on Netflix,

It is.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

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I never found it funny that Data wanted Worf to take care of the cat. Data doesn't respect his own cat enough to be sure if it's male or female, he doesn't consider his cat sentient (any true cat parent will tell you otherwise), and Worf hates cats. So how was that anything funny?

The absurdity of it all was funny, at least for me. Then there are bits like a scratched up Riker handing the feeding duties to Beverly and telling her she'll need a phaser.

 

[Timewalker]

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If Enterprise ever becomes available on Netflix,

It is.

Not in Canada, it isn't.

Besides, they've just started the new Doctor Who stuff (from Eccleston onward), and I missed a lot of it due to not having a working TV, and then not having the right cable package. So that's what I'm watching lately.

I never found it funny that Data wanted Worf to take care of the cat. Data doesn't respect his own cat enough to be sure if it's male or female, he doesn't consider his cat sentient (any true cat parent will tell you otherwise), and Worf hates cats. So how was that anything funny?

The absurdity of it all was funny, at least for me. Then there are bits like a scratched up Riker handing the feeding duties to Beverly and telling her she'll need a phaser.

It's ridiculous to get scratched up from trying to feed a cat, unless the cat is angry that you're not doing it right. I'd have sympathy for Riker if he'd been trying to trim the cat's claws, but there are tricks to make that a relatively scratch-free exercise, too.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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I'm sorry for the cat being taken care of by what to the cat is a machine. Does Data smell like a living being?

This cat lives alone. The only human contact it has are human visitors to Data's quarters. No wonder it is feral.

 

[Timewalker]

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I don't want to speculate what Data smells like. I always found what he looks like revolting enough (I really do not like Data).

From the cat's perspective, the instinct is to mark one's human as a way of indicating "this is mine" to other cats. So Spot would have rubbed his head and muzzle on Data's face and tried to knead his skin (or at least knead his lap or arms through his uniform). I'm guessing that Data might have allowed this from having read that cats do it, but the emotional connection would have completely escaped him.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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BUT my point is the cat would not have done any of this any more than a cat would respond to a great big feeding arm that scooped up cat food and dumped it in a bowl once a day. Data is not a carer to the cat any more than a cat door that lets a cat into a room that contains its bowl is something the cat shows affection to.

If Spot did rub up against him a lot it's no different than a cat having a favorite chair.